freeflir29 0 #51 December 27, 2002 Oh...and my "Beer" reply earlier. I was just being funny but there was a case not long ago of a North Korean that was caught in the South. The newspaper article said he resisted questioning at first but after he got the second bottle of Jack Daniels he was much more cooperative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #52 December 27, 2002 Me thinks you are thinking of Sodium Pentothal (5-ethyl-5-(1-methylbutyl)-2-thiobarbituric acid), a mild barbituate commonly used to sedate agitated animals. Interesting effect on humans is that it lowers inhibitions, much like alchohol, and when used in conjuction with a trained head shrink can get a person to open up about things they feel uncomfortable talking about while 'sober'. Though it alone will not make a person talk when they absolutely do not want to talk - my guess it needs to be combined with more aggressive mental and physical persuasion techniques to get someone being interrogated to open up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #53 December 27, 2002 Try to imagine a world without hypothetical situations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #54 December 27, 2002 Quote Try to imagine a world without hypothetical situations. Better: "Imagine all people, living life in peace" John Lennon__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #55 December 27, 2002 Quote BTW, at 11:15 PST, hypothetical terrorist bomber #2 set off his bomb killing 10 and wounding 57 more people in a subway station in downtown New York. It's still unclear whether hypothetical terrorist #1 actually knew #2 or not. The clock is still ticking. True story, not hypothetical. Two days before a 7yo kid sets off a mine in a shoeshine box killing 2 GIs. Today, 200 guys are standing around a prisoner. The prisoner was caught planting mines in the jungle outside the barbed-wire fence. If these guys goes outside the fence, more than one will be crippled from the mines. My brother is just outside Saigon, 1971. Do you torture him or let you buddies get maimed? His discomfort vs your buddies life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #56 December 27, 2002 QuoteDo you torture him or let you buddies get maimed? His discomfort vs your buddies life? That's easy...he's a soldier and not a "Law Enforcement" agent. I'd hook that guy up..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #57 December 27, 2002 >Is it ethical to use any amount of "torture" (subtle or not) to find out > when and where the other four terrorists are supposed to strike? There was a story in analog magazine a while back about exactly that. A 'torture group' was formed to extract information only in times of dire need, such as the one you mention. A situation like that came up, and they extracted the information successfully, saving thousands. A few more incidents like that, and then they capture a suspected terrorist, but they're not sure if he planted a bomb or not. They torture him, and discover he didn't, but they are relieved to have the information at least. As time goes on they slide down that slippery slope until they are using their now-polished torture methods to get gang members to admit to selling drugs. It's fast and effective, and if you aren't a criminal, you have nothing to fear, right? The story presented an interesting angle, and that was from the perspective of the torturers. It destroyed their lives, since the government had been careful to eliminate any sadists who actually _liked_ torturing people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #58 December 27, 2002 Quote since the government had been careful to eliminate any sadists who actually _liked_ torturing people That wasn't very smart was it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
