PhillyKev 0 #1 December 26, 2002 According to this article, CIA Interrogations Said Verging on Inhumane: QuoteThe U.S. government publicly denounces the use of torture. But each of the current national security officials interviewed for the article defended the use of violence against captives as just and necessary, the Post said. "They expressed confidence that the American public would back their view," it added. The CIA had no comment on the article, Mark Mansfield, a spokesman, said late on Wednesday night. So, do you agree with these "security officials" and support the torture of suspects? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #2 December 26, 2002 I guess it would depend on the definition of torture. If one were to parade a naked woman in front of me, without letting me touch, I would consider it to be an extreme form of torture...lol. FFF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #3 December 26, 2002 There's really no need to torture anyone. With modern interrogation techniques and the ability to pretty much keep them forever they will be singing like birds eventually. Trust me...I have a friend that is a professional interrogator with the Air Force. They have ways of making you talk that don't include battery terminals on the testicles. Now....I guess some could argue that sleep deprivation and some of the other techniques are "torture" but I wouldn't classify it as that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 December 26, 2002 Quote If one were to parade a naked woman in front of me, without letting me touch, I would consider it to be an extreme form of torture. Yeah...that's why I don't go to titty bars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #5 December 26, 2002 Quote Yeah...that's why I don't go to titty bars. Yep... FFF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #6 December 26, 2002 Why torture terrorist? no, no no, just shot them in the head, is faster and cheaper. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #7 December 26, 2002 If any gov't tortures prisoners they stoop to the level of Al Queda, etc. If they stoop to the level of Al Quedda, they loose my respect. Besides, if you torture me, I will tell you anything you want, like the time I gave the pope a blow job, etc. The other problem with torture is creating instant enemies for life! There are other far more subtle techniques for extracting information, like sleep deprivation. My ex was very good at sleep deprivation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #8 December 26, 2002 Yeah, yeah Clay, but where is all the fun. Where is the rack. What about the wheel. The streching, the glowing red thongs. The dungeons in midevil castles. the torturers in black hoods and leather aprons. it's gone to the dogs now, it's just an institution. and you cant burn them at the end anymore. the world has truly gone to the dogs, mondo cani is all we have left. our acestors had the real fun jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #9 December 26, 2002 Quote Yeah, yeah Clay, but where is all the fun. Where is the rack. What about the wheel. The streching, the glowing red thongs. The dungeons in midevil castles. the torturers in black hoods and leather aprons. it's gone to the dogs now, it's just an institution. and you cant burn them at the end anymore. the world has truly gone to the dogs, mondo cani is all we have left. our acestors had the real fun 1-800-TORQUEMADA __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 December 26, 2002 Depends on the situation. There used to be a great PBS series called "Ethics in America" and one of the panel discussions was what would be considered ethical in a situation like this. The series re-runs occasionally. Try to catch it if you can.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #11 December 26, 2002 Quotethe glowing red thongs. Uhh....dayyyuummm.....that sounds painful...tee-hee. FFF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 December 26, 2002 QuoteIf any gov't tortures prisoners they stoop to the level of Al Queda, etc. If they stoop to the level of Al Quedda, they loose my respect. Hypothetical situation . . . Intelligence reports that at least five terrorists are going to detonate bombs in different parts of the city. You capture one of the terrorists and prevent him from setting off his bomb. You have him captured and his bomb has been defused. His plan called for his bomb to go off in six hours. Is it ethical to use any amount of "torture" (subtle or not) to find out when and where the other four terrorists are supposed to strike? The clock is ticking. What are you going to do? Something subtle like sleep depravation probably isn't going to work over the course of six hours.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 December 26, 2002 Quote Is it ethical to use any amount of "torture" (subtle or not) to find out where the other four terrorists are supposed to strike? The bad part is....he probably doesn't know. They seem to have learned a few valuable lessons about "Centralized planning, Decentralized execution." and keeping the "need to know" in check. Riggerrob....I didn't know you were an alter boy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 December 26, 2002 QuoteThe bad part is....he probably doesn't know. Possibly. Possibly he does. In the case of the September 11 hijackings there were probably terrorists involved that didn't know the extent of the entire plan. On the other hand, we do know that there -were- hijackers on each plane that knew -exactly- what the entire plan was and -exactly- who was on the other planes. Ya wanna gamble with the lives of innocent Americans that the hypothetical guy doesn't know or are ya gonna rough him up a bit first on the chance that he might? Clock is still ticking.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 December 26, 2002 QuoteI guess it would depend on the definition of torture. Bingo..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #16 December 26, 2002 "Rough him up" = torture? Key word here - suspected - That seems important.. Scaring the shit out of someone to possibly save lives sounds reasonable but remember the ole' slippery slope. If no one stands up to protect the civil rights of others, who will be left to stand up for yours? Okay, maybe that sounds cheesy, but people, we do not torture suspects. Okay, off the box and onto Eloy, see you guys there! --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #17 December 26, 2002 Well.. I think if we caught Bin Laden... I don't give a damn what they do to him to get information from him.. I think they should tie him to a stake in a field and let the families of the victums stone him on a daily basis. Let him heal.. Stone him again.. Let him heal.. Stone him again... Make a hell of an example... Maybe I'm being nasty and unreasonable. Oh well.. The Byiatches!! lol Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 December 26, 2002 In the hypothetical I gave he would not be considered a suspected terrorist -- he would have been caught redhanded. Quote Okay, maybe that sounds cheesy, but people, we do not torture suspects. Are you speaking about the way you wish things were or the way you truly believe them to be? We, the U.S., have and will continue to perform several different levels of interrogation depending upon the situation. Some of these levels of interrogation are subtle, some are not and some we let agents of other countries perform with our full knowledge so that "we" can technically keep our hands clean of our technical definition of torture. If somebody else does your dirty work for you -- are you any less guilty?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #19 December 26, 2002 Quade...that's where the "ethics and integrity" of the Federal agent interrogating the individual come in. It would be hard to hesitate at smacking the guy around if you REALLY thought he had information that could protect innocent lives. OTOH....what if you are wrong and the guy is totally innocent? That's why we "As a country" can't leave that decision up to a single agent...or even a single agency. As hard as it is we MUST abide by the laws. I once dealt with a federal agent that was SURE I was guilty. She was willing to lie under oath to get me convicted. Was it right...no....did she THINK she was right. Yes. Did she personally pay for lieing under oath...not yet....maybe some day. Personally I think she is a danger to people everywhere and a disgrace to her profession. If Federal agents are not expected to abide by the laws why the hell should anyone else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 December 26, 2002 QuoteIf somebody else does your dirty work for you -- are you any less guilty? In a moral sense no....in every other sense...yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #21 December 26, 2002 Quote Now....I guess some could argue that sleep deprivation and some of the other techniques are "torture" but I wouldn't classify it as that. There was a discussion about the current techniques of torture not too long ago, I think on CBS. They had one 'expert' on the field that had made mention the most effective manner they have found getting people to talk was with the use of a wet towel wrapped tightly around a persons head, combining the fear of being enveloped with that of drowning - appearantly it proved very successful without long term physical side effects. Quote include battery terminals on the testicles. "Not Santas balls!", Southpark just cracks me up. "Red Sleigh down, we have Red Sleigh down!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 December 26, 2002 Quote I guess some could argue that sleep deprivation and some of the other techniques are "torture" but I wouldn't classify it as that. Now SHEEP deprivation OTOH.... Quote include battery terminals on the testicles I'm not SURE this is torture....what was she wearing when she hooked them up and did she degrade me and make me beg? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #23 December 26, 2002 Quote If no one stands up to protect the civil rights of others, who will be left to stand up for yours? Between the choice of being able to sleep better at night knowning the country is not galavanting around ripping out teeth, breaking knees, and drowing people based on suspicion vs. being part of flying bomb, nuked, gased, or otherwise forced to endure a slow painful death for some nut with a towel wrapped too tight around his head to make some warped attempt at a religous statement - I will learn to sleep better at night simply knowing I will at least wake up the next day - torture away. This coming from a forgien national in the good ol' US of A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #24 December 26, 2002 An effective method of torture: Feed the terrorist burritos, chili and lots of hot sauce, then a glass of milk, and hang the bastard naked HEAD DOWN!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 December 26, 2002 More information about torture HERE. Specifically, people might want to click on the link and take the "Torture Test".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
