Ted Nelson Accident Anniversary

[tedsauntcindy 0]

If you follow the legislative record, you could read any proposed bill upon introduction. Happy checking.

[tedsauntcindy 0]

Why start talking abut how to prevent deaths in the future at this point? It seemed to me that the purpose of this thread was to bash the deceased . . .

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[billvon 3,119]

>It seemed to me that the purpose of this thread was to bash the deceased . . .

It is not, as mentioned above. It is to try to prevent this from happening in the future.

[dharma1976 0]

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>It seemed to me that the purpose of this thread was to bash the deceased . . .

It is not, as mentioned above. It is to try to prevent this from happening in the future.

and some people do this in a bashing cynical way and others do in it a more constructive way, it all depends on how we deal with our fears.

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[AFFI 0]

I am going to quit wasting my time trying to deal with this dead skydiver’s trolling auntie.

The dead skydiver died as an accident of their own making that was perpetuated by their unwillingness to adhere to a sensible approach to learning.

Lesson:
Skydivers who are not dead, be sensible when progressing in this sport and don’t waste your time with angry surviving relatives of dead skydivers who are bitter and want to blame the whole world for the poor decision making of their lost family member.

I am done with this thread...

Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[beowulf 1]

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Trust me, Ted was no victim! He was very bright, very gifted and made his own decisions. I admired him. But I don't see why my legislative proposal scare you folks. According to a previous post, only a small percentage of DZ's experience serious accidents or fatalities. Shouldn't the irresponsible few be highlighted to the general publis?

You don't know anything about skydiving and you want to create legislation that affects skydiving.

If you don't think Ted was a victim then why would you want to seek legislation? He died because of his own choices.

Those fatalitys and accidents were not necessarily caused by a "irresponsible few". They were just accidents. Accidents happen.

[pilotdave 0]

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According to a previous post, only a small percentage of DZ's experience serious accidents or fatalities. Shouldn't the irresponsible few be highlighted to the general publis?

Do you think that the dropzone that Ted died at should warn tandem students about his death before they jump? Were they irresponsible because he made bad decisions and paid the ultimate price?

Accidents and fatalities happen in this sport. Some are easily preventable, some are freak occurrences. But all can be prevented by NOT SKYDIVING. We accept the risk we take when we choose to skydive. And new skydivers are already warned of the risk before ever making a jump.

My point is, the number of fatalities at a dropzone does not necessarily say anything about how safe that dropzone is. In fact, due to the small number of deaths, even a single fatality can skew the statistics by a lot. It's VERY hard to use fatality data to show how safe or unsafe a dropzone is.

Good luck, but I think you're going down the wrong path if your goal is to improve anybody's safety. If your goal is just to stir up dirt, I don't think you'll be very effective using accident data either.

Dave

[kallend 2,150]

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Trust me, Ted was no victim! He was very bright, very gifted and made his own decisions. I admired him. But I don't see why my legislative proposal scare you folks. According to a previous post, only a small percentage of DZ's experience serious accidents or fatalities. Shouldn't the irresponsible few be highlighted to the general publis?

Why is a DZ responsible if an adult, licensed skydiver decides act irresponsibly after being warned that his behavior is dangerous?

What should the DZ have done with Ted? Banned him from jumping there? With the attitude Ted displayed on dz.com, the only way to save him from himself would have been to ban him from every DZs in the world.

Ted killed himself. STOP TRYING TO BLAME OTHERS.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DSE 5]

For me, this was a learning thread. Caused me to look back at my own posts along with Ted's. Got me to thinking a bit about my own progression.
However, the silliness in this thread has also caused me to realize that ignorance may be genetic.
Dunno about anyone else, but the PM's on the subject have become an irritant.

[Thanatos340 1]

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Shouldn't the irresponsible few be highlighted to the general publis?

By far the majority of skydiving accidents have NOTHING to do with irresponsible Dropzones.

The ONLY person that was irresponsible in Teds accident was Ted. He was warned over and over again. He didnt listen, He died. Now he is an example to others that do not listen.

The dropzone he happened to be at that day had nothing to do with his accident. The same exact out come would have happened wherever he happened to be.

These "Fatality" numbers you want posted have very little to do with how safe a DZ is. The people dying in this sport are by far mostly very experienced Jumpers doing high performance landings. These people know the dangers involved in these maneuvers so your proposal accomplishes nothing but give misleading information to uneducated (in regards to skydiving) people. We would much rather tell them the Truth, Skydiving is Dangerous. You could Die. This is on the waiver and on the video they must watch.

A dropzone with NO Fatalities in 5 years is Just as Dangerous as one with 3 fatalities in 5 years.

You are clearly angry but no one here is making personal attacks against your nephew. They are stating fact.
1) He was warned (Repeatedly)
2) He didnt listen,
3) He died.

You think there might be a lesson for others in there somewhere?

[billvon 3,119]

> I am going to quit wasting my time trying to deal with this dead skydiver’s
> trolling auntie.

And this thread has become more about personalities than about anything that has to do with learning from Ted's death, so I am going to lock it. I will start a new thread for discussion of skydiving lessons to take away from this ONLY. Any other material will be deleted.