ernokaikkonen 0 #26 December 27, 2002 QuoteI understand what you're saying, but, don't you think is 'Morally' wrong, if you think not, let's clone Hitler again, how about that? I don't care where the genes come from, the problem I have is with the increased potential of disfigured/unhealthy babies as a result of cloning. And, well, the overall pointlessness of the idea; there are enough people on the planet as it is, without articial ways of making more of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #27 December 27, 2002 Quotethere are enough people on the planet as it is, without articial ways of making more of us. How strange. Wasn't someone complaining in another thread that the human population is about to collapse because so many straight people are turning gay? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #28 December 27, 2002 The issue of cloning humans will always be debated simply because a huge percentage of the world's population does believe in God and that He/She/It holds the keys to life and death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #29 December 27, 2002 Quote Wasn't someone complaining in another thread that the human population is about to collapse because so many straight people are turning gay? I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #30 December 27, 2002 >I just don't get the point. Why bother cloning a human? Three reasons I can think of. One, it provides another way for an infertile couple to have a child, or to avoid expressing a recessive genetic abnormality carried by the parents. Two, with further research, it may allow a human to essentially grow their own spare parts. Note that, today, you could do this by cloning yourself and killing off the resulting child to get the spare parts - in the future it will likely be possible to clone _just_ the organs/systems you need. I can see a huge moral problem with killing a child for spare parts, but not much of a moral problem in using your own cells to create a new heart (and associated vasculature) for yourself. Three (and this is a very minor issue) we will learn a great deal about telomere erosion, oncogene activation, cellular apoptosis etc just attempting to do it, and that will have huge impacts on treating old age and cancer. It is minor because other research can produce the same results; research into human cloning will just provide those results a bit faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #31 December 27, 2002 >I don't care where the genes come from, the problem I have is with > the increased potential of disfigured/unhealthy babies as a result of > cloning. That is indeed a danger. However, one might use the same argument against IVF - it is prone to multiple (and therefore much higher risk) pregnancies. Why not outlaw it? Because the parents are in a better position than you or I to decide if the risk is worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #32 December 27, 2002 QuoteOther than getting too hung up on cheesy science fiction movie plots, I completely fail to understand in the least why this is "scary". Actually, I have to throwin with Jessd on this one, Narci. While the issue of cloning people doesn't really bother me as much as some others if you saw the creature that announced the cloning, you'd be scared too; her society believes earthly humans were cloned by some alien race from sowewhere in space. If you saw her eyes and the eerie otherwordly look in them as she made the announcement, you'd believe it! I swear Christopher Lloyd as the Rev. Jim Ignatowski looked normal compared to her. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #33 December 28, 2002 Quotewe will learn a great deal about telomere erosion, oncogene activation, cellular apoptosis etc These are good reasons to avoid human cloning right now. Cloning technology is simply not ready. Once these are worked out, it should be a very viable and happy alternative for couples who can't have children any other way... BTW, solving these may solve the aging problem as well! Long live longevity! _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #34 December 28, 2002 Quote BTW, solving these may solve the aging problem as well! Long live longevity! Screw that!! who wants to be a 250 years old bastard wearing a diaper full of shit!!! NOT THIS CAT!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #35 December 28, 2002 Quote Quote BTW, solving these may solve the aging problem as well! Long live longevity! Screw that!! who wants to be a 250 years old bastard wearing a diaper full of shit!!! NOT THIS CAT!! Who said anything about being infirm? _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #36 December 28, 2002 Quote Who said anything about being infirm? No matter how you dice it, old things tend to break.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #37 December 28, 2002 QuoteQuote Who said anything about being infirm? No matter how you dice it, old things tend to break. Was a day when 40 was way old. Times change, gramps... _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #38 December 28, 2002 Quote Was a day when 40 was way old. Times change, gramps... WHO ARE YOU CALLING OLD????!!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #39 December 28, 2002 Quote WHO ARE YOU CALLING OLD????!!!! You, ten thousand years ago. I have no idea what this means. _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #40 December 28, 2002 Ivan, we who intend to live forever admire you and those like you for making more room for us to live our dreams. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #41 December 28, 2002 Quote Ivan, we who intend to live forever admire you and those like you for making more room for us to live our dreams. You can keep this world, enjoy!! , I'll move to higher lands. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #42 December 28, 2002 but are you planning on being buried or just vanishing away like Obi, Darth and the Yodster? I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #43 December 28, 2002 well, I'm an unemployed molecular biologist. I suppose I could spare some time to clone up a few choice female humans right now. Put your orders in early, these things take time! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
