Eve...

[skygal3 0]

A chemist connected to a group that believes life on Earth was created by extraterrestrials claimed Friday to have produced the world's first human clone, a baby girl named Eve....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=514&e=1&cid=514&u=/ap/20021227/ap_on_he_me/human_cloning

scary stuff...any thoughts?

[freeflir29 0]

Hmmm...lots of holiday fruit cakes out there.

[ernokaikkonen 0]

I just don't get the point. Why bother cloning a human?

btw, the first time a looked at your avatar I was wondering "why is the ppg throwing up?"....

[jessd 0]

I want to see the DNA results. That woman looks scary

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[Slappie 9]

When I saw the title to the thread I thought you were going to rant about the lingerie company "Eve" One of my ex's used to get those books in brown paper wrappers every month or so. Some funny but interesting stuff in those catalogs Not that we ever bought anything from them ya know.....

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[CrazyIvan 0]

I don't recall any of my ancestors cloning humans, must be a mistake

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[narcimund 0]

Other than getting too hung up on cheesy science fiction movie plots, I completely fail to understand in the least why this is "scary".

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[skygal3 0]

I'm wasn't thinking like "Species" here...ethically scary...also, it made me remember when i was 16 and went back to my old neighborhood. I ran into my old next door neighbor who at that point was suffering from Alzheimers...even though he remembered us, he thought my sister was my mother when she was younger, I was my sister, only 12 years younger, and my sisters son she thought was my brother at 9 months..I can see something like that happening and totally screwing with peoples minds!

[Slappie 9]

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When I saw the title to the thread I thought you were going to rant about the lingerie company "Eve" One of my ex's used to get those books in brown paper wrappers every month or so. Some funny but interesting stuff in those catalogs Not that we ever bought anything from them ya know.....

I was thinking about your other thread about the bunny an stuff.. I'm sure Eve online has a "rabbit" you could purchase..

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[skygal3 0]

moi?

[narcimund 0]

So let me get this straight... In a world with cloning, people with impaired memories might become confused. While that's somewhat unfortunate, in a stubbed-toe kind of way, it's hardly an ethical nightmare.

I repeat, I am completely, 100% incapable of understanding why anyone cares about cloning. Or why 30 years ago test-tube babies elicited the same response and 12 months later absolutely nobody gave a shit.

People are fickle to their lifelong, universal, world shattering convictions.

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[Muenkel 0]

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I completely fail to understand in the least why this is "scary".

Narci,

Let me give you one scenario: Another human being with the same DNA as Clay.

Chris

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[skygal3 0]

I don't think the confusion is unethical...I was raising 2 different points. Some may say that cloning a human is unethical, thats all. My personal opinions will be kept as just that.

[freeflir29 0]

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Another human being with the same DNA as Clay

That'd be one lucky little bastard!!

[CrazyIvan 0]

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Other than getting too hung up on cheesy science fiction movie plots, I completely fail to understand in the least why this is "scary".

Let me give you an example, say, there is an ASSHOLE (pick one, there are a plethora around the world) and some GENIUS decides to CLONE the bastard (as per the bastard's request of course), scary enough?, if not, let's clone Saddam and Osama, what do you say buddy?

Sounds a little Sci-Fi now, but landing on the moon was Sci-Fi many years ago. Got it?

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[ernokaikkonen 0]

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I repeat, I am completely, 100% incapable of understanding why anyone cares about cloning.

Why should people be cloned? There's reason enough not to: Most of the respectable scientists keep issuing warnings about possible complications in cloned babies.

[ernokaikkonen 0]

>scary enough?, if not, let's clone Saddam and Osama,

So what? If the cloning succeeds, you'll have two babies. One with the same genes as Saddam, the other with the same genes as Osama. That doesn't make the babies inherently evil. If said persons, for some reason, wanted to create followers for themselves, regular babies from an orphanage would be an easier, more practical choice.

Seriously, we aren't talking about mini-me here...

[freeflir29 0]

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we aren't talking about mini-me here.

See...now you went and ruined everything!

[ernokaikkonen 0]

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we aren't talking about mini-me here...

See...now you went and ruined everything!

...but that of course would be the next logical step. Horrible!

Better?

[Slappie 9]

This all reminds me of Bill Cosby in one of his Stand Up Routines he was talking about how when his wife used to get on the kids she would use some catch phrases.

"I brought you into this world and I can take you right back out of it! Then I can make another one that looks just like you!"

hmmm kinda makes ya wonder now.. Maybe Bill Cosby is the prophet!

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[narcimund 0]

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Sounds a little Sci-Fi now, but landing on the moon was Sci-Fi many years ago. Got it?

It doesn't sound science fiction to me at all. What it sounds like is completely overblown, emotional knee-jerk reactionism. I am STILL completely unconcerned about it and consider the entire thing to be a media-driven distraction from the real problems we're not supposed to be watching for.

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[tigra 0]

Narci,

For the record, my ethical concern about cloning humans is the idea that an entire race of people can be created for the sole purpose of being used for medical research or harvesting "spare parts". It really is a completely separate issue from invitro fertilization. As a general rule, I do not consider myself to be guilty of overblown emotional knee-jerk reactionism. And yes, there are a lot of other bad things going on in the world right now that merit attention. And yes, the cloning issue concerns me.

maura

[CrazyIvan 0]

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That doesn't make the babies inherently. evilSeriously, we aren't talking about mini-me here...

I understand what you're saying, but, don't you think is 'Morally' wrong, if you think not, let's clone Hitler again, how about that?

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[freeflir29 0]

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if you think not, let's clone Hitler again, how about that?

Great idea....I can open up a Jewish amusement park. For $1000 you can bludgeon your very own Hitler clone!!! I'll make millions!

[narcimund 0]

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For the record, my ethical concern about cloning humans is the idea that an entire race of people can be created for the sole purpose of being used for medical research or harvesting "spare parts".

Fine. Then fight to prevent using people for research or spare parts.

Outlawing cloning because it could be misused is like outlawing bread because criminals eat bread.

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