SpeedRacer 1 #1 January 11, 2003 Just watched the news. I'm having trouble visualizing how this war will be carried out. They had some marine dude on there(I didn't wait to see who it was) who was talking about how this war will be different from '91. One point he made: In '91 the goal was to kick the Iraquis out of Kuwait, which involved massive troop movements across large expanses of desert, etc. Whereas in this war the goal will be specifically to get Sadam & those who support him. OK I'm wondering how this is going to work. Sadam is a human mole. He has all kinds of precautions in place so that no one can find him...he has a bunch of diiferent palaces, doesn't sleep in the same place twice, has body doubles, etc. How are we ever going to get him? Hell, we can't find Osama bin Laden or Zawahiri. Other more minor point...The military dude was being interviewed & pointed out how everyone paid so much attention to the smart bombs used in '91. But in '91 only 10% of the bombs/missiles were smart, the other 90% were plain old "dumb" bombs. Whereas in this war---- and at that point the interviewer cut him off & asked about something else, so I never got to find out how much of the bombs we will use will be "smart". Any ideas out there? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KawiZX900 0 #2 January 11, 2003 marines are facing a 1 year involantary extension of duty for this crap. Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 January 12, 2003 Quotemarines are facing a 1 year involantary extension of duty for this crap. No joke... I heard even if you have a 8 year contract,, 4 years active and 4 years inactive, that they can call you back for another 2 years?? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #4 January 12, 2003 I think the percentage of smart boms would be very high- it could even be close to 100% with "dumb" bombs being fitted with "inexpensive" brains. What I would like to know is, how come Americans are so certain Saddam is a threat to them? Is your propaganda (extensive as it is) really that efficient or has this view been present even before this whole WOT mess started? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phatcat 0 #5 January 12, 2003 QuoteWhat I would like to know is, how come Americans are so certain Saddam is a threat to them? Generally, when a guy who has proven countless times that he's basically a lunatic, gets in a position to send world (not just U.S.) economy into a major cluster fuck, it's a bad thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #6 January 12, 2003 You're talking about president Bush, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phatcat 0 #7 January 12, 2003 Quote You're talking about president Bush, right? Okay, I'm not gonna debate that right now, but I certainly don't think Pres. Bush is anywhere near nuts enough to unleash nuclear hell. Sadam, if he gets the capability... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #8 January 12, 2003 QuoteIs your propaganda (extensive as it is) really that efficient or has this view been present even before this whole WOT mess started? I think we could ask Europeans the same question. The defense of every industrialized nation is based on oil. Armies run on oil on the modern battlefield. Right now a lunatic controls a large proportion of Europe's oil supply. Get the connection? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 January 12, 2003 Do any of you think we're going to have to turn Iraq into an ashtray in order to finally get Saddam? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 January 14, 2003 >I think we could ask Europeans the same question. The defense of > every industrialized nation is based on oil. Armies run on oil on the > modern battlefield. Right now a lunatic controls a large proportion of > Europe's oil supply. Get the connection? Several lunatics, actually, including Chavez, Abdullah, and Hussein. In any case, the US makes more than enough oil itself to power its military. It would politically unpopular to set aside domestic oil for this purpose, thus lunatics have some control over our military. Whether that is a wise thing to allow or not is a question for our leaders. In any case, fear not. We are switching to new and improved lunatics in Western Africa for our oil supply; see story below. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afoil13jan13,0,380839.story?coll=la%2Dhome%2Dtodays%2Dtimes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #11 January 14, 2003 I still say that 1) we round up a bunch of pigs and have them swim and play in their water reservoirs, 2) do a masive air drop of stray dogs - has to be wet and hungry, 3) spray the whole place with bacon scent. That will 1) deprive them of their drinking water, 2) the dogs will drive them out of their hiding places, and 3) well I don't have reason #3.My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #12 January 14, 2003 Quote We are switching to new and improved lunatics in Western Africa for our oil supply Don't you know? Lunatics make the best oil. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phatcat 0 #13 January 14, 2003 QuoteIn any case, the US makes more than enough oil itself to power its military. But does the U.S. have enogh oil to power the U.S.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #14 January 14, 2003 Quote But does the U.S. have enogh oil to power the U.S.? You had better watch out. The environmental terrorist groups will add you name to their hit list for even asking such a question. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #15 January 14, 2003 >But does the U.S. have enogh oil to power the U.S.? The US certainly has enough energy to power the US. It's just not all in the form of cheap oil. Make no mistake; the only reason we use oil for fuel is that it is dirt cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phatcat 0 #16 January 14, 2003 QuoteMake no mistake; the only reason we use oil for fuel is that it is dirt cheap. Of course. I'm not denying that at all. But, let's say all hell breaks loose and Saddam torches all the oil fields he can - then what happens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #17 January 14, 2003 Cheap? You call sending troops cheap? Wlie says Nothing's cheaper than free, nothing's more expensive than regret. What's cheap is that we have failed to utilize abundant free energy sources (solar, wind, ++), or invest in technology to harness it. What's expensive? We've put up lot's obstacles for anyone with the right mind who wants to harness this free and abundant engery sources. And everytime someone comes up with a cheaper fuel alternative, and usually more environmentally friendly, the oil companies will buy it and bury it. (IMO - can't quote a source, just pointing finger because I can't think of a better suspect with enough $$$ to control the media). Like Jessie Ventura says, "Until someone figures out a way to put a meter on the sun, we won't get cheap solar energy".My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #18 January 14, 2003 > But, let's say all hell breaks loose and Saddam torches all the oil fields >he can - then what happens? Is that a trick question? Oil prices will go up. The US will establish a puppet government in Iraq, they will drill more wells, and oil prices will fall again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #19 January 14, 2003 You really think that oil prices will fall back?Ya! Like after we've recovered back all the costs for attacking Iraq in the first place... And once the government has tasted "making money"...Come on Bill. Why hasn't the Federal Income tax been canceled? Wasn't it just for the war effort? And which direction has it been going ever since? Because the last time I checked, it sure has been fighting the laws of gravity quite strongly. My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #20 January 14, 2003 >You really think that oil prices will fall back? They did before, after the last gulf war. It dropped from $22 during the war to below $15 a few years later. The same thing will happen again. > Come on Bill. Why hasn't the Federal Income tax been canceled? Because bureacrats like money? Keep in mind that Bush is an oilman; he's the last one who will try to put the government in charge of any oil operations. Amoco and Shell will make out like bandits and the usual competition will force prices back down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #21 January 14, 2003 And what was the price of oil before the war? And the government is made up of... Competition? In the oil industry? Coleboration is a better term. My other ride is the relative wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
