rgoper 0 #1 January 22, 2003 Go Here this guy is making threat after threat, what's he gonna do? kick the whole world's ass? i can't believe i voted for him, i honestly think he has symptoms of the onset of altheimers. what's next? is he going to threaten americans who don't go along with his b.s. as well? "gimme a break"--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #2 January 22, 2003 France was never much help in any wars and Germany is still bent about losing their wars...Germany also buy more David Hasselhoff albums than Elvis, Michael Jackson & Madonna combined. Kinda makes you think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 January 22, 2003 Quote Separately, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed France and Germany as part of “old Europe,” pointing out that a many more European countries were now part of the NATO alliance. Oh boy...where's the smiling face showing me smacking myself in the forehead? Not only are we planning on doing this without the UN, now it's without NATO. And openly insulting the French, who no-matter what you say about them, have been our longest ally between England, Germany, and them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoobieCootie 0 #4 January 22, 2003 I think Bush is making sense.Think about it. The Iraqis launch a chemical warhead, they grease themselves and their neighbors. The US on the other hand, could just turn around and leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #5 January 22, 2003 >The Iraqis launch a chemical warhead, they grease themselves and > their neighbors. The US on the other hand, could just turn around > and leave. Keep in mind that chemical weapons could conceivably kill americans. I know, we're not supposed to actually get killed in wars, but it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #6 January 22, 2003 >i can't believe i voted for him . . . And if you want an even better story - he gave that speech in a warehouse surrounded by boxes. (the thing behind him is just a backdrop.) When the boxes were examined, they were marked "made in china." A tape gun quickly fixed the problem. Story here. It's a good thing he called the US "the single surviving model of human progress" or I'd be worried, with all those boxes from god knows where blurring our lonely path to progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 January 22, 2003 QuoteNot only are we planning on doing this without the UN, now it's without NATO. And openly insulting the French, who no-matter what you say about them, have been our longest ally between England, Germany, and them. Deeper breath there. There are plenty of countries involved in this, Spain, Italy, UK, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, more. NATO is a defensive alliance. The UNs charter is not to wage war. The coalition in 1991 was enforcing a UN resolution, but was not under UN control or "approval" as a whole. As for NATO, I think Rumsfeld's reference to that was meant to indicate to France and Germany that the former Eastern Bloc nations that have joined recently do not share France's or Germany's perceived enlightened (and misplaced) arrogance on diplomatic matters. For these two countries were catalysts in the first two World Wars. Frances wisdom saw them leave NATO, then rejoin. Germany is in a heap of diplomatic trouble with us and they should be remined they've been remade whole again largely due to a strong ally of the past across the Atlantic. As for cuts at France, that a daily event. We smack at them, they us. It's been that way as long as I can remember. Personally, I think this is a good thing. I'm betting that the inspectors are going to find a thing or two more before mid-February...possibly proving us right, and France and Germany will have to make another decision, again. They can't make up their friggin minds. It was Germany that advocating invoking NATO resolutions for common defense after 9/11 and France didn't oppose resolution 1441. Now Germany says Iraq is complying and France want to give everyone another chance. WTF? I'm all for keeping a grey area between "black" and "white" but not the whole picture.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hagar 0 #8 January 22, 2003 Quote I just think that his style of telling the Iraqi military to disobey their orders and AWOL to our side is a better alternative. W could probably teach the average Iraqi one or two things about going AWOL...--- PCSS #10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #9 January 22, 2003 Quote i can't believe i voted for him . . . now i'm really sorry i voted for him, but at the time i figured he was the "lesser of two evils" we desperately need a "third party" someone...anyone! don't ya know the real reason Iraq isn't concerned? the real reason we can't get the "usaul" cooperation from NATO? nobody is taking this klown seriously any more, how can you? ah hell, he makes me laugh, but i won't vote for him again, i think i'll stop announcing it as well.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #10 January 22, 2003 You know, a thing a lot of us probably don't realize is how very few of those threats, along with other messages about the impending war actually reach the Iraqi military and public. One of the characteristics of a totalitarian regime is the complete control of mass media, which means people in Iraq only hear what their government wants them to hear. I'd say your president's appeal to the commanders not to follow the commands is, in fact, a message aimed at the US and world public rather than the Iraq military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #11 January 22, 2003 i'll let ya know when i get there on the 24th!--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 January 22, 2003 Well, actually, France's stance on the issue: QuoteWhile seeking partnership with France, Germany has gone even further than Paris in its anti-war stance. The French have left open the possibility of military action against Saddam Hussein as a last resort, but Schroeder has not. ...seems to be more in line with the feelings of the American people: QuoteSeven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data012103.htm And I'm sure France read loud and clear what how you interpreted Rumsfeld's remarks. Quoteindicate to France and Germany that the former Eastern Bloc nations that have joined recently do not share France's or Germany's perceived enlightened (and misplaced) arrogance on diplomatic matters. Seems pretty insulting to me. I'm just wondering why exactly we're insulting our allies for agreeing with the majority of our citizens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #13 January 22, 2003 QuoteYou know, a thing a lot of us probably don't realize is how very few of those threats, along with other messages about the impending war actually reach the Iraqi military and public. One of the characteristics of a totalitarian regime is the complete control of mass media, which means people in Iraq only hear what their government wants them to hear. I'd say your president's appeal to the commanders not to follow the commands is, in fact, a message aimed at the US and world public rather than the Iraq military. Generally you're right, but in Iraq higher leaders in the millitary do seem to have access to forign media. For example, many of them have internet access, which is why the US emailed them last week - after which the mail servers were promptly shut off. Plus, the US has been dropping pamphlets for monthes now, I suspect they change that message regularly. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #14 January 22, 2003 You know his pop did an AFF one time. former prez. George Bush SR. Back in the early 90s this same thing happened and I remember that people said we will would be back again because we did not finish the job then. I think half of enemy surrunderedMy EX- husband had to go over there, we had just met he was just discharged out of the 82nd airborne and got called back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #15 January 22, 2003 Nice hijack there Freebird. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #16 January 22, 2003 Look closely at the video next time - he bumps his head on the way out the door Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #18 January 22, 2003 George Bush SR. did two AFF jumps... We need to respect other countries rights to make their own decisions. Ally or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #19 January 22, 2003 Oh yes, those closer to the probably do have access to western media, but the rest of the nation has been receiving nothing but government propaganda for more than twenty years now. And pamphlets are not very likely to make major changes in Iraqi public opinion, even if they are informative (hey, who would YOU trust- your government or a country that has attacked you in the past and is apparently on the verge of doing it again?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #20 January 22, 2003 Im not being mean and I do not want to get flamed but at least this President does not stick cijars up interns p****** AND in the oval office( he could of at least taken it in the bathroom.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #21 January 22, 2003 George Bush SR. did two AFF jumps... *** guess he liked it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freebird 0 #22 January 22, 2003 Hey I saw Lisa from Waller at the start line in the 4 miler on the 19th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoobieCootie 0 #23 January 22, 2003 And we're saving the world's economy while at it!Of course we should expect American casualties. What I'm saying is to the extent of the long term effects. Saddam is not just going to kill US soldiers. He's out to hurt our economy and the world's. He launches a chemical warhead, he takes out Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Turkey, Kuwait, ++. So do we when we turn his neighborhood into a solid flat sheet of volcanic glass that glows in the dark. Having them Iraqi officers with enough brain cells as my Diablo to surrender will not only expedite things. It will also ensure that the world can continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #24 January 22, 2003 QuoteIm not being mean and I do not want to get flamed but at least this President does not stick cijars up interns p****** AND in the oval office( he could of at least taken it in the bathroom.) I would much rather have a president that cheats on his wife and has kinky sex with his co-workers, then have one who seems to be obsessed with wiping out a small country. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #25 January 22, 2003 Quote Im not being mean and I do not want to get flamed but at least this President does not stick cijars up interns p****** AND in the oval office( he could of at least taken it in the bathroom.) Yeah..that's much more important than the potential loss of half a million lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
