jceman 1 #1 February 1, 2003 The fog moved in this morning and didn't burn off until about 1330 here in Jacksonville. We got out to the new DZ about 1400 and manifested for Skyvan load 2. When we gathered in the pre-boarding area, we got the standard brielf from out S&TA stating that we would be flying a left- hand pattern and landing towards the T-hangers to the south of the LZ. Load 2 was a light load, a six-way exited first, then Lynn and I, followed by the S&TA with a returning jumper doing a recurrency jump, a high pulling solo and pair were last out. Our jump went well, got three docks on Lynn and even fruit-looped her on the second one. Deployment was normal, and then it got interesting: I saw someone well below me with a nasty looking canopy which then became two canopies. I set off to follow the cutaway main, it looked like the jumper was after his free bag. As the main went into the top of a tree, I set my pattern to land in the clear on a straight line with it. I flew my left hand pattern and as I passed the jumper (now safely on the ground), I hollered that it was in the tree, and I realized it was none other than our S&TA! He had his freebag and all his handles; I asked him what had happened and he said he had a longer than normal snivel, followed by line twists. Just as he kicked out the twists, his audible went flatline and he thought "Oh, shit!" as the CyPReS got scared ($1 to billvon). The canopies went side by side and were starting to go to a downplane when he cut away. The title quote comes from his call to Cliff Schmucker to order a new cutter. The S&TA? Glenn Bangs. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #2 February 1, 2003 I would like to post a humorous response to this but I may someday want to take and pass the AFF Certification Course. So I'll refrain. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #3 February 3, 2003 "Bump" Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #4 February 3, 2003 Can you explain this part a bit: Quote Just as he kicked out the twists, his audible went flatline and he thought "Oh, shit!" as the CyPReS got scared ($1 to billvon). When he got done kicking out of his line twists, his dytter flatlined, then what happened ? IF he just got out of them, why chop it away ? Why did his cypres fire at his flatline alti ? Was his Cypres set to fire that high, or was his flatline set at 800' ?? Or did his Cypres fire prematurely ? It seems there is more to this story, and having an accurate timeline as the events that took place would help. Please explain the billvon reference too. Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Professor 0 #5 February 3, 2003 Some audibles will sound if you reach a certain speed under canopy. I've only had my protrack sound once under my pretty well loaded stiletto 120, in almost 200 jumps on the canopy, so I don't think it's too easy to do, but it can happen. I guess the speed the audible sounds at and the cypres trigger speed (78 mph, IIRC) must be close to each other. low wind blue skies Ted Like a giddy school girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #6 February 4, 2003 There really is not a whole lot more to the story. He went low, had a long snivel w/line twists, and his audible alarm went off about the same time the CyPReS got scared (remember the computer makes the decision to fire several hyndred feet before it fires - nominally about 1200 feet or so). He cut away the main because the canopies were going into a downplane configuration. The billvon reference is a usenet tradition -- if you use someone else's phrase, you own them a (cyber) dollar. On reflection, the phrase "scaring the CyPReS" may not be bill's, it may well be Winsor's, or someone else's, though it seems to be a billvonism to me. All that is really not the "interesting" aspect of this event, though. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #7 February 4, 2003 > (remember the computer makes the decision to fire several hyndred > feet before it fires - nominally about 1200 feet or so). Actually the cutter fires a few milliseconds after the computer decides to fire it. However, due to burble effects, the cypres fires at around 700 feet in freefall and around 900-1000 feet when feet-to-earth, so a snivel or other high speed, feet to earth mal may cause a higher than expected cypres firing. >The billvon reference is a usenet tradition . . . I don't think that was my saying. I thought you were referring to my statement "if I had a dollar for every jumper who gets a cypres 'in case they get knocked out' then has it fire because they just plain get too low while fully conscious . . .' " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 February 4, 2003 > thought you were referring to my statement "if I had a dollar for every jumper who gets a cypres 'in case they get knocked out' then has it fire because they just plain get too low while fully conscious . . .' " Bill... if this was the case I think that Qualcomm might get mad at you for making more money out side work then there Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #9 February 4, 2003 Quotehis audible alarm went off about the same time the CyPReS got scared I guess this part I really don't get. I mean, was his dytter set that low ?? Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #10 February 4, 2003 QuoteI don't think that was my saying. I think RiggerRob trademarket that particular saying... _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #11 February 4, 2003 QuoteQuotehis audible alarm went off about the same time the CyPReS got scared I guess this part I really don't get. I mean, was his dytter set that low ?? The short answer, yes. I believe his flatline is set around a grand. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
