Jessica 0 #1 February 10, 2003 UNITED NATIONS - Iraq approves inspectors' use of U-2 surveillance planes, pledges additional cooperation, Iraqi ambassador says. So isn't that one of the last sticking points? Hasn't Iraq acquiesced to almost all of the U.N. demands?Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #2 February 10, 2003 Quick put your nomex suit on Jess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #3 February 10, 2003 It would be nice wouldn't it?JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #4 February 10, 2003 yeah, it would be. Unfortunately I fear the 15th.... S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #5 February 10, 2003 >Iraq approves inspectors' use of U-2 surveillance planes . . . Good news for a change! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #6 February 10, 2003 The U-2 surveillance planes may be a great way also to recon what else is in the area such as troop build ups and armorment. But then again maybe we have other sources of intelligence. I too fear the 15th. I hope Bush is making the right choice. It seems like the majority of the people in the World and in the U.S. are against jumping into war. (At the moment) Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 February 10, 2003 Quote So isn't that one of the last sticking points? Hasn't Iraq acquiesced to almost all of the U.N. demands? well except thoose that actually called for them to disarm and prove it ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #8 February 10, 2003 all this really means is now we can fly recon with spy planes through the no fly zone, and Iraq can't shoot them down. we've been flying recons through there for years now, this just makes it legal for us to attack them...if they attack one of our planes.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #9 February 10, 2003 I think it's basically just a stall tactic. The main focus of the sec. counsil was that if the insp. went back, and they allowed U2 flights, and scientist interviews, things would be going in the right direction. Basically Iraq has given the bare minimum once again to save themselves an ass kicking for the time being. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #10 February 10, 2003 Quote Basically Iraq has given the bare minimum once again to save themselves an ass kicking for the time being. Yeah, buddy, and just like Korea, Vietnam and Somalia I bet you fuck them up real good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #11 February 10, 2003 Ummm, I didn't mean for it to sound like that I think. I'm not sure EXACTLY how you took it, but the response wasn't really appropriate for how i meant it. I was never in Vietnam, Somalia, or Korea, and my country was only in two of them so far as I know. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #12 February 10, 2003 Sorry, I'm just a bit pissed off that that gung-ho trigger happy John Wayne wannabe idiot seems intent on going to war - I don't really think he wants a peaceful resolution. Maybe he thinks a showdown at the OK corral will draw voters' attention away from the mess he is making of the economy. Will PS America still has a significant military presence in South Korea and had failed armed forays into the other two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #13 February 10, 2003 I personally wish it were a duel to the death of sorts...you take Saddam, and his leadership, then you get Bush, and his leadership, and you put them in a big pit and let them fight to the death. Then the winner gets to sit there and starve. Problems solved. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #14 February 10, 2003 LOL No, actually I'd rather just Saddam was handed over to the Kurds. If the Republican party puts another candidate forward in the next election or Bush loses that election (just not to Al Bore) that would be enough for me. Actually I reckon Clinton might be re-elected for a third term and this time she'll be the one getting head off interns... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #15 February 10, 2003 Oh yeah? Call us when you need us to bail you out again limey. JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #16 February 10, 2003 look for Lieberman to run on the democratic ticket......with Clinton as his vice president, not Bill Clinton either. remember, you heard it here first........--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #17 February 10, 2003 Quote PS America still has a significant military presence in South Korea and had failed armed forays into the other two. I think fool might have meant Somalia. In the US, it's by far the least known of the three. This is even after Blackhawk Down was a smash hit. I know one person who thinks that Mogadishu is a country Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #18 February 10, 2003 Actually what I meant, was that I'm not from the US, and I don't beleive Canada was a major force in Vietnam. I could of course be wrong. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #19 February 10, 2003 Actually its a known fact that South Africa (with a little help from Monty and his 8th army) was responsible for Rommel's defeat in WWII. Thereafter the South African forces finished off the job in Europe by way of Italy. The whole D-day thing was just a diversion. Admittedly the yanks and the poms did help a bit, but mostly that war was won by South Africa... Will PS South Africa arrived in that war a day late, not three years late... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #20 February 10, 2003 It's a stall tactic. As much as I would like to believe Saddam's good intentions, it's just not happening. Does this imply that we go to war? I vote no. Extremely aggresive inspections all over the damn place, seizure of official documents, and a whole lot of banging on shields by the US and allies might achieve the same thing. What I'm saying is that if Saddam isn't cooperating, we might not need him to. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #21 February 10, 2003 In all three of these cases, the military was doing fine until the politicians put their hands in the mix... Korea - had the NK's push all the way to the PRC border then they told Mac to hold off, then the PRC jumped in. Vietnam - Won all the major battles, but did not have the political stamina to win, don't go into Cambodia or Laos, don't bomb Hanoi, yada yada... Somalia - Everything was fine until Clinton called for the capture of Adide (sp?) One could even argue that the current state of affairs in Iraq is more of the same, except for the fact that there were stated military objectives for the Gulf War, and those were achieved. The military operation was executed without much of the political handholding. One would hope, that if it comes the use of force, the military would be empoweded to execute the operation without undue political interference. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #22 February 10, 2003 > Extremely aggresive inspections all over the damn place, seizure of > official documents, and a whole lot of banging on shields by the US > and allies might achieve the same thing. What I'm saying is that if > Saddam isn't cooperating, we might not need him to. I'd be all for that. People keep claiming that they are inspectors, not detectives; so make them into detectives. Very well armed detectives. That still might lead to war, but if so, at least we tried everything we could to avoid it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #23 February 11, 2003 I bet you fuck them up real good! Trust that we will! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #24 February 11, 2003 HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! South Africa couldn't lead a hungry platoon to the chow hall!JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #25 February 11, 2003 QuoteI'd be all for that. People keep claiming that they are inspectors, not detectives; so make them into detectives. Very well armed detectives. That still might lead to war, but if so, at least we tried everything we could to avoid it. Since there's a lot desire for the UN piece, remember one thing: the UN resolution required Iraq to declare, reveal and hand over its banned weapons (as resolved in the previous 16 resolutions by the UN). The inspector's role was not to be a detective, but to confirm, tag and supervise destruction of these systems. Well armed inspectors only paint bigger targets on themselves and will not be able to repel a Republican Guard assault if they get pissed off. Having armed inspectors on the ground without any other cover is a sure fire recipe of destruction. Instead what is happening is as follows: UNMOVIC: "We found these empty chemical warheads here. Where are th rest?" Iraq: "We don't have any." UNMOVIC: "You had 30,000 before we left in 1998, right after you admitted having a sizable infrastructure to support the systems." Iraq: "Oh, we destroyed everything." UNMOVIC: "Where are the destruction sites? Where are your logistical records? Tapes? What kind of explosives? Why were these warheads not among them?" Iraq: "Well, this area was sealed off by the UN before..." UNMOVIC: "UNSCOM didn't catalog this hardware here before, where are the rest?" Iraq: "Um...er...oh, BTW, we'll be okay with U2 flights overhead, and here's another scientist, don't worry if he looks stressed, it's simply the pressure to cooperate with you." UNMOVIC: "Uh..." France: "The inspections are working! Hallejuliah!" US: "Why aren't there contamination readings in these soil samples. And where's the 3000 liters of VX? They're shooting at our planes again. WTF?" Iraq: "We are not shooting and we have no WMDs. Your KH-11 satellite photos are photoshopped and have speacial effects from Lucasfilms and Industrial Light & Magic." UNMOVIC: "We'll keep looking, but Iraq doesn't seem to have anything, anywhere." US: "Huh?" UNMOVIC: "Well, we go to places that we all know are active sites and they may as well be grave yards by the time we get there." Iraq: "That is because we are all starving." France: "The inspections are working! Hallejuliah!" US: "Wait a minute." Iraq: "Did we mention that we'll allow overflights for the UN?" US: "There were decontamination trucks here one week ago." Iraq: "We have no trucks and we have no WMDs. Your KH-11 satellite photos are photoshopped and have speacial effects from Lucasfilms and Industrial Light & Magic." As for the above here, I know, I won't quit my day job. Just having a little fun at this point. Denial ain't a river in Egypt. Iraq will not consciously betray itself with its current leadership. They will lie, cheat and steal to outsmart the UN and they will succeed without US pressure on the Security Council. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
