JJohnson 0 #26 February 7, 2003 I hope so and I hope we use them.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #27 February 7, 2003 QuoteThe repercussions of ignoring Iraq might very well be another plane into a building or something like it. Or masked gunmen going into every kindergarden in the country on the same day at the same hour killing every child within site.. This is REAL. They don't care. They will do it. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 February 7, 2003 Quotewe have the technology to beat his armies without sending a quarter million people to do it. It isn't just one man.. It's an entire dictatorship that must be removed,, It isn't as easy as sending in an Army special forces unit to take care of business.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #29 February 7, 2003 QuoteWell now we are back to might makes right and who can enforce their will. In which case we are. "Might makes right"? If that is our foriegn policy and our moral justification, then we need to grow the hell up. Using that logic, the terrorist who used their "might" to hijack the planes and crash them into the towes, the pentagon and the failed attempt all had the "right" to do it. They used force to do what they wanted. I like to aim higher than being the preschool playground bully. How does "Might makes right" fit in to the core beliefs and foundation upon which the United States was founded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #30 February 7, 2003 QuoteThe repercussions of ignoring Iraq might very well be another plane into a building or something like it. I am not saying that we should do nothing...I am only questioning our methodology..... Jim Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #31 February 7, 2003 Quote The use of Tactical Nukes have been authorized if WMD's are used. Use nukes in Iraq? It would turn into a desert overnight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #32 February 7, 2003 At least if nukes are used you will be able to peer through the glass and see where the oil is?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindcake 0 #33 February 7, 2003 QuoteQuotewe have the technology to beat his armies without sending a quarter million people to do it. It isn't just one man.. It's an entire dictatorship that must be removed,, It isn't as easy as sending in an Army special forces unit to take care of business.. Rhino would dare say that we know where most of the key people are, most of the time....use small fighting groups and missle attacks to remove these key people........the plan right now seems to be akin to using a sledge hammer to pound in a finish nail... Jim Don´t belive the hype Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #34 February 7, 2003 The War should be to realese the people of Irak for the leaders that dictate the cuntry by now.Not for oil or mony. I know we also want him to disarm,but who let him built it? Dont tell me that US or GB didnt know about it before now.. Saying that S.Hussain works whith Al quada aint clear,but seems like its the easy way to declaim war. Thats why many cuntries disagree(i know the leeders says otherwise but listen to the people). I think that Germany does a great job,holding to their desision about not going to war.I respect them more than my own leaders(DK),who cant stand on their own legs.Just hoping that German donsnt get ataced becours "working whit Al quada",becours they dont belive in the same and are proud/strong enough to tell so. Lets just hope the war(i do belive its on its way) will cost a minimum of lifes on both sides. Peace Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #35 February 7, 2003 JJohnson, you now owe one case of beer! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #36 February 7, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The use of Tactical Nukes have been authorized if WMD's are used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use nukes in Iraq? It would turn into a desert overnight. Why should US do so? if,then youll get WW3 when you atack North Korea... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #37 February 7, 2003 I'm not saying I advocate might makes right. But if every country thinks they are justified in doing what they feel is in their best interest, then who wins? The strongest. This is the U.S. right now. It was the Romans back in their heyday. The Nazis at one point thought they were. Pick your country and their not so great moments. And those terrorists did think they had the right to do what they did. Otherwise they would not have done it. Might makes Right does not fit into our core beliefs does it? The bible is what our core beliefs were when this country was founded and we have strayed far from that.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #38 February 7, 2003 Why?JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #39 February 7, 2003 I hope Bush is smart enough not to have picked advisors that are all war mongers like it seems the administration is currently. Hearing everyone around you saying "Nuke them... they might have weapons, we don't want any doubt about it... nuke them and be done with it" is in disagreement with a large percentage of the people that the administration is to represent. Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Syria, Egypt, France, England, US and Germany have used Terrorism domesticly and abroad for years. Why are we not threating England? Why not invade Iran? Oh... thats right we don't need something that they have. I think you are confusing groups if you think Iraq is sending terrorist to kill your childern...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #40 February 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhy should US do so? if,then youll get WW3 when you atack North Korea... Could you tell me which country will be attacking the U.S. if we were to eliminate one nuclear facility within North Korea? Seems they have few friends, no oil, and no religous radicals ready to die for them, only customers for weapons grade plutonium (sp?) Don't get me wrong, I think we can let North Korea's own neighbors take care of that problem. Interesting how france isn't jumping to North Korea's defense, maybe because they don't have a deal to buy oil from them at discounted prices when sanctions are lifted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites harryskydives 0 #41 February 7, 2003 If Hussein does have WMD I am quite sure our front line will be the first target. Jim Well if he does not have them. All he had to do in the past 12 years is show the UN inspectors that they destroyed the 300,000 gas/chem/bio shells and the 100 tons of gas/ chem/bio that he had at the pull out of the gulf war. If he has them It is safe to assume he plans to use them Again. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,588 #42 February 7, 2003 QuoteAt least if nukes are used you will be able to peer through the glass and see where the oil is?? If that's a joke, it's not funny. If it's not a joke, it speaks for itself as an opportunistic willingness to sacrifice our and other people to allow us to live exactly the way we are right now, without regard to that impact on other people, countries, and the world. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #43 February 7, 2003 >Different news organizations are saying we will be sticking our hand > in the bee hive if we go after Iraq.. Let me make the first correction. > Our beef isn't with Iraq it is with the DICTATOR that is very > comparable . . . Now that I agree with 100%. I would add his sons, too; they're worse than he is. >and potentially 100 times more powerful than Hitler ever was. That's like saying Castro was 100 times more powerful than Hitler was, which is nonsense. Sure, he's an evil communistic dictator who hates (or at least hated) the US, and is guilty of all sorts of human rights violations, but he's impotent. So is Hussein. He's the dictator of a little tinpot country. >Those fuckers flew planes into our buildings and woke up OUR BEE HIVE.. Those were other fuckers, and most of them got away with it. How about we get THEM first? >The money trail runs right through Saddhams pocket.. Oh come on. There's more evidence that the Pat Robertson of 700 club bankrolled Al Quaeda than Hussein did. >We are in the #1 seat in the world. With that comes responsibility. Damn right. We have the responsibility to act like a leader and not a schoolyard bully. >Time to fix the wrongs we have done . .. By killing 50,000 men women and children? That's fixing a 'wrong?' Will some new Arab terrorist organization fix _that_ wrong by blowing up the Sears Tower? At some point the violence has to end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #44 February 7, 2003 QuoteCould you tell me which country will be attacking the U.S. if we were to eliminate one nuclear facility within North Korea? Seems they have few friends, no oil, and no religous radicals ready to die for them, only customers for weapons grade plutonium (sp?) How close do you think North Korea are to have a nuke?Im sure they have before Irak is out of the picture,and then..You dont think theyll defend them self?Rember Vietnam,they know their land.It will be one big caos... Quote I think we can let North Korea's own neighbors take care of that problem. Why should they,they dont make the rumbel in the forest,US does.. I dont like North Korea having nukes,i dont like Irak having what ever they have and i dont like that US have it all,and then figth to get rid of thoushe who also have..Im afraid that one day(sure first when im dead)some stupied leader of US could do the same as German did onse,but they then just have all the power..Sorry there aint a balance in that Q,and thats why muslims,arabs and so on are screaming at the time.Im just lucky that i were born at the rigth side.. EDIT:Not saying that all US is bad just somthing... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #45 February 7, 2003 >What makes it effective? Because we have no country to punish for it. We did punish a country for it. You already forgot our last war? I find it absolutely unbeleivable that, 18 months ago, we had a terrorist attack on the US that killed 2500 and everyone has managed to forget about that! The man who did it is still out there, and attacking a neighbor of his will do absolutely nothing to bring him to justice; indeed, it will make it ten times harder by making it clear that we want arabs dead. >We can't win! So why kill tens of thousands? >Screw with us once, we will negotiate, screw with us twice we'll hurt > you. Third time you need to make peace with your God. OK, which three times have we been attacked by Iraq? (And no, calling us names and being evil doesn't count as 'screwing with us.') Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #46 February 7, 2003 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The use of Tactical Nukes have been authorized if WMD's are used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use nukes in Iraq? It would turn into a desert overnight. Why should US do so? if,then youll get WW3 when you atack North Korea... Iraq is already a desert, joke lost in translation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #47 February 7, 2003 It was a joke and I think it was funny.. lol Do I personally think nukes should be used under ANY circumstance? No freakin way!! But I'm not the man in charge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #48 February 7, 2003 Quote We did punish a country for it. You already forgot our last war? I find it absolutely unbeleivable that, 18 months ago, we had a terrorist attack on the US that killed 2500 and everyone has managed to forget about that! The man who did it is still out there, and attacking a neighbor of his will do absolutely nothing to bring him to justice You are so rigth. To Happythourgths,sorry i didnt see it Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Opie 0 #49 February 7, 2003 QuoteThose were other fuckers, and most of them got away with it. How about we get THEM first? Beautifully put. You might get my vote for president yet Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #50 February 7, 2003 >I'm not saying I advocate might makes right. But if every country > thinks they are justified in doing what they feel is in their best > interest, then who wins? The strongest. No one will win World War Three unless we choose not to fight it. That's the ONLY way to win. >And those terrorists did think they had the right to do what they did. >Otherwise they would not have done it. Yes. They have to learn that's not acceptable. And rather than say "you're wrong, Allah doesn't love you more" or "american women are right and islamic women are wrong for wearing veils" a better lesson to teach them is "do whatever you think is right and leave us alone." If we both learn that lesson (the US and its neighbors throughout the world) then we will see a lot less terrorism, death and destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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harryskydives 0 #41 February 7, 2003 If Hussein does have WMD I am quite sure our front line will be the first target. Jim Well if he does not have them. All he had to do in the past 12 years is show the UN inspectors that they destroyed the 300,000 gas/chem/bio shells and the 100 tons of gas/ chem/bio that he had at the pull out of the gulf war. If he has them It is safe to assume he plans to use them Again. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #42 February 7, 2003 QuoteAt least if nukes are used you will be able to peer through the glass and see where the oil is?? If that's a joke, it's not funny. If it's not a joke, it speaks for itself as an opportunistic willingness to sacrifice our and other people to allow us to live exactly the way we are right now, without regard to that impact on other people, countries, and the world. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #43 February 7, 2003 >Different news organizations are saying we will be sticking our hand > in the bee hive if we go after Iraq.. Let me make the first correction. > Our beef isn't with Iraq it is with the DICTATOR that is very > comparable . . . Now that I agree with 100%. I would add his sons, too; they're worse than he is. >and potentially 100 times more powerful than Hitler ever was. That's like saying Castro was 100 times more powerful than Hitler was, which is nonsense. Sure, he's an evil communistic dictator who hates (or at least hated) the US, and is guilty of all sorts of human rights violations, but he's impotent. So is Hussein. He's the dictator of a little tinpot country. >Those fuckers flew planes into our buildings and woke up OUR BEE HIVE.. Those were other fuckers, and most of them got away with it. How about we get THEM first? >The money trail runs right through Saddhams pocket.. Oh come on. There's more evidence that the Pat Robertson of 700 club bankrolled Al Quaeda than Hussein did. >We are in the #1 seat in the world. With that comes responsibility. Damn right. We have the responsibility to act like a leader and not a schoolyard bully. >Time to fix the wrongs we have done . .. By killing 50,000 men women and children? That's fixing a 'wrong?' Will some new Arab terrorist organization fix _that_ wrong by blowing up the Sears Tower? At some point the violence has to end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #44 February 7, 2003 QuoteCould you tell me which country will be attacking the U.S. if we were to eliminate one nuclear facility within North Korea? Seems they have few friends, no oil, and no religous radicals ready to die for them, only customers for weapons grade plutonium (sp?) How close do you think North Korea are to have a nuke?Im sure they have before Irak is out of the picture,and then..You dont think theyll defend them self?Rember Vietnam,they know their land.It will be one big caos... Quote I think we can let North Korea's own neighbors take care of that problem. Why should they,they dont make the rumbel in the forest,US does.. I dont like North Korea having nukes,i dont like Irak having what ever they have and i dont like that US have it all,and then figth to get rid of thoushe who also have..Im afraid that one day(sure first when im dead)some stupied leader of US could do the same as German did onse,but they then just have all the power..Sorry there aint a balance in that Q,and thats why muslims,arabs and so on are screaming at the time.Im just lucky that i were born at the rigth side.. EDIT:Not saying that all US is bad just somthing... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #45 February 7, 2003 >What makes it effective? Because we have no country to punish for it. We did punish a country for it. You already forgot our last war? I find it absolutely unbeleivable that, 18 months ago, we had a terrorist attack on the US that killed 2500 and everyone has managed to forget about that! The man who did it is still out there, and attacking a neighbor of his will do absolutely nothing to bring him to justice; indeed, it will make it ten times harder by making it clear that we want arabs dead. >We can't win! So why kill tens of thousands? >Screw with us once, we will negotiate, screw with us twice we'll hurt > you. Third time you need to make peace with your God. OK, which three times have we been attacked by Iraq? (And no, calling us names and being evil doesn't count as 'screwing with us.') Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #46 February 7, 2003 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The use of Tactical Nukes have been authorized if WMD's are used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use nukes in Iraq? It would turn into a desert overnight. Why should US do so? if,then youll get WW3 when you atack North Korea... Iraq is already a desert, joke lost in translation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #47 February 7, 2003 It was a joke and I think it was funny.. lol Do I personally think nukes should be used under ANY circumstance? No freakin way!! But I'm not the man in charge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #48 February 7, 2003 Quote We did punish a country for it. You already forgot our last war? I find it absolutely unbeleivable that, 18 months ago, we had a terrorist attack on the US that killed 2500 and everyone has managed to forget about that! The man who did it is still out there, and attacking a neighbor of his will do absolutely nothing to bring him to justice You are so rigth. To Happythourgths,sorry i didnt see it Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #49 February 7, 2003 QuoteThose were other fuckers, and most of them got away with it. How about we get THEM first? Beautifully put. You might get my vote for president yet Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #50 February 7, 2003 >I'm not saying I advocate might makes right. But if every country > thinks they are justified in doing what they feel is in their best > interest, then who wins? The strongest. No one will win World War Three unless we choose not to fight it. That's the ONLY way to win. >And those terrorists did think they had the right to do what they did. >Otherwise they would not have done it. Yes. They have to learn that's not acceptable. And rather than say "you're wrong, Allah doesn't love you more" or "american women are right and islamic women are wrong for wearing veils" a better lesson to teach them is "do whatever you think is right and leave us alone." If we both learn that lesson (the US and its neighbors throughout the world) then we will see a lot less terrorism, death and destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
