AndyMan 7 #1 February 18, 2003 From : http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20030214POLL/20030214poll_results.html Summary: Bush's popular support is at the lowest point ever. He's completely wasted any support he gained following 09/11. It dropped a full 10% in the last WEEK. 56% of the US population feel the US is on the "wrong track", the highest number since the Clinton impeachment trials. It seems to me, Americans think a bit more highly of French then the media let on. 1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President? Approve Disapprove DK/NA 2/10-12/01 CBS 53 21 26 3/8-12/01 60 22 18 4/4-5/01 CBS 53 35 12 4/23-25/01 CBS 56 29 15 5/10-12/01 CBS 57 30 13 6/14-18/01 53 34 13 8/28-31/01 CBS 50 38 12 9/11-12/01 CBS 72 15 13 9/13-14/01 84 9 8 9/20-23/01 89 7 5 10/25-28/01 87 8 5 12/7-10/01 86 9 4 1/5-6/02 CBS 84 10 6 1/15-17/02 CBS 82 11 7 1/21-24/02 82 12 6 2/24-26/02 CBS 78 14 8 4/1-2/02 CBS 77 17 6 4/28-5/1/02 73 18 9 5/13-14/02 CBS 77 16 7 5/19-20/02 CBS 71 18 11 6/18-20/02 CBS 70 20 10 7/8-9/02 CBS 74 19 6 7/13-16/02 70 20 9 7/22-23/02 CBS 65 27 8 8/6-7/02 CBS 66 25 9 9/2-5/02 63 28 9 9/22-23/02 CBS 66 27 7 10/3-6/02 63 29 8 10/27-31/02 62 28 10 11/20-24/02 65 27 9 1/4-6/03 CBS 64 28 8 1/19-22/03 59 35 6 2/5-6/03 CBS 63 28 9 2/10-12/03 54 38 8 2. Do you feel things in this country are generally going in the right direction or do you feel things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track? Right direction Wrong track DK/NA 1/83 1 34 59 7 6/83 NYT 1 47 44 9 11/83 NYT 1 47 43 10 9/85 1 46 44 11 1/91 57 31 12 3/91 51 42 7 10/91 33 60 7 11/94 CBS 30 65 5 12/95 NYT 25 64 10 9/96 44 47 9 9/96 CBS 41 48 11 12/96 NYT 39 51 11 3/97 2 34 62 4 6/97 2 37 60 3 8/97 3 39 57 4 1/98 2 44 50 6 1/98 4 61 34 5 2/98 54 36 9 10/98A 46 47 7 10/98B 52 42 7 5/00 48 44 7 3/8-12/01 40 54 6 4/23-25/01 CBS 37 58 5 6/14-18/01 42 53 5 10/25-28/01 61 29 10 12/7-10/01 64 27 10 1/24-27/02 52 35 12 7/13-16/02 42 48 10 7/22-23/02 CBS 39 53 8 8/6-7/02 CBS 41 51 8 9/2-5/02 43 49 8 10/3-6/02 42 48 10 10/27-31/02 41 52 8 11/20-24/02 41 49 10 2/10-12/03 35 56 9 __ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #2 February 18, 2003 in my opinion the French are the ones with the short, or shall i say selective memories, but that's another topic. if i thought for a moment that we could go over there and eradicate Sadaam Hussein, and Osama Bin Ladin, i'd be the first to say heck yeah let's go and get em! but as you get a little older, have your own son serving in the army, and a grandchild it tends to give you a broader perspective on the "big picture" we CANNOT go over there hit them and run, it's not that simple anymore. Sadaam's son Uday is the one we really need to worry about. and what happened to eradicating terrorists? i thought that was our original mission? now we're dissregarding world opinion(s) in the U.N. and seem to be doing as we damn well please. and i know there are a lot of americans out there that don't want WWIII, me being one of them. so it's no wonder his ratings are dropping, tony blair's not fairing any better. ol wyubya needs to be more informed of his enemy, i've been over there, these people have NOTHING to lose, plus they don't care about getting killed, now that's tough to deal with.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #3 February 18, 2003 Quote It seems to me, Americans think a bit more highly of French then the media let on. Negative. May be you should have another scientific poll on how U.S. citizens really feel about the French. Then again, the media might have a liberal bias. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 February 18, 2003 Polls are pretty useless. They're conducted without any random sampling and thus the data is always tainted. Add to that, the source of the data, NY Times citing CBS polls? Laughable. Quote It seems to me, Americans think a bit more highly of French then the media let on. Even if the polls are semi-accurate, I don't think you'd find a correlation between domestic opinion of policy and foreign opinion of France. Of course, verifying that would require a poll...then ... *sigh*So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #5 February 18, 2003 QuoteNegative. May be you should have another scientific poll on how U.S. citizens really feel about the French. So you don't think the opinion of the president dropping 10% in a week has anything to do with the french embassador getting a standing ovation in the UN last week? How do you explain it dropping 10% in a week? You don't think these numbers are poignant, at all? Did you click through and read the rest of the numbers? I didn't post them all for brevity, but did find it interesting that a full 59% of americans want the US to wait for more inspections... strangely, just like the french are saying. Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #6 February 18, 2003 Good question about how these things were collected. However, exactly because of the random sampling, these polls are more often close to the truth then not. After all, the presidential election campaigns are heavily influenced by polling. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #7 February 18, 2003 Quote So you don't think the opinion of the president dropping 10% in a week has anything to do with the french embassador getting a standing ovation in the UN last week? Quote You give Americans way too much credit if you think most know or really care about what happens on the floor of the UN. QuoteHow do you explain it dropping 10% in a week? You don't think these numbers are poignant, at all?Quote Do you think the orange (heightened terrorist) alert around here might have had anything to do with that? That's something Americans heard about. Then again, it's a poll. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #8 February 18, 2003 QuoteDo you think the orange (heightened terrorist) alert around here might have had anything to do with that? That's something Americans heard about. Then again, it's a poll. Well everyone knows that was just done to try to raise support for a stupid war. "Oh no! We're at level Orange! (whatever that means) I'm frightened! Yes! Go blow shit up, do whatever it takes to make me feel safe again!"it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #9 February 18, 2003 QuoteAfter all, the presidential election campaigns are heavily influenced by polling. They still aren't random selections though! CBS and the NY Times won't sponsor polls that don't ask specific questions in a specific way, taking "random" samples from a focused demographic (c'mon, run a sample of 1000 people in Middlesex County Massachusetts and compare that with 1000 people from Orange County California, it would be the epitomy of dichotomy).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #10 February 18, 2003 So you are suggesting that the data was gathered in a meaningless fashion. Possible, of course. If you want, I'm sure that it's possible to find out who gathered that information and ask them how it was done. I know that there is standard accepted procedure that has been tested over the years to give a reasonably close approximation reasonably often. I don't have the exact procedure or the numbers on it's effectiveness, and I welcome anyone who does. Also, I believe that these studies are done by independent institutes, the news network simply publishes them. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,129 #11 February 18, 2003 Did you pick up your duct tape and plastic sheet yet?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #12 February 18, 2003 Quote Also, I believe that these studies are done by independent institutes, the news network simply publishes them. Of course. The networks have to pay for those surveys, money never influenced anything... What I am suggesting is that policy cannot be guided by "referrendum". Johnson tried to and it blew up in his face big time. I'm not saying it's done in a meanlingless fashion, but I am saying that these surveys are a cross section of 1000-2000 people within finite geographic or demographic areas. The numbers are always skewed, and that's why you always see a margin of error, rarely less than 4%, and that's a big number.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #13 February 18, 2003 A margin of error of 4% will not make a big difference in this case. The most extreme application of the 4% margin will make the numbers a lot more... mellow, but the message will be retained. Anyway, not that any of this really matters at this stage. We'll find out how much the people approve of Bush on the next election. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #14 February 18, 2003 QuoteThey still aren't random selections though! CBS and the NY Times won't sponsor polls that don't ask specific questions in a specific way, taking "random" samples from a focused demographic (c'mon, run a sample of 1000 people in Middlesex County Massachusetts and compare that with 1000 people from Orange County California, it would be the epitomy of dichotomy). While there most definately is bian in every medium, the assumption goes that the bias is constant. IE, even though the question asked may have been leading (reading the question myself, I don't think so, but I'm just a geek, what do I know?), when the same leading question is asked over time, you can not argue the trend. Even if the question was biased, the same question was asked over a long period of time, and produced a clear trend. Statistics isn't rocket science. If organizations are truely faking polls, it becomes obvious quickly.__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #15 February 18, 2003 QuoteDo you think the orange (heightened terrorist) alert around here might have had anything to do with that? That's something Americans heard about. Then again, it's a poll. Did you click through and read any of the other questions in the poll? It became obvious very quickly this wasn't the case. I'd love to know what you mean by "Then again, it's a poll." Granted that I took statistics in Canada and not the US, but the way I learned it, it's a pretty simple science that usually gives some pretty accurate numbers. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #16 February 18, 2003 Only when it's done right though. There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics. I'm betting it was done right though, just like the other hundreds of polls conducted around the world. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #17 February 18, 2003 [replyDid you click through and read any of the other questions in the poll? It became obvious very quickly this wasn't the case. Quote I'm not signing up. Quote I'd love to know what you mean by "Then again, it's a poll." Granted that I took statistics in Canada and not the US, but the way I learned it, it's a pretty simple science that usually gives some pretty accurate numbers. When you took statistics you learned about confidence intervals and other reasons for error. Statistics are great when you have no idea how they took the sample. Things like how many people they surveyed, when, who, where/how e.g. on the street, mall or telephone, geographic location, etc. all contribute to the validity of the result. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #18 February 19, 2003 The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #19 February 19, 2003 Yeah, your touchy feely way of running this is bullshit. Do you really believe the government makes it policy based on polls? (Well, may be the previous regime.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #20 February 19, 2003 Quote The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? Yeah, just like the stock market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #21 February 19, 2003 Good point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #22 February 19, 2003 QuoteGood point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #23 February 19, 2003 QuoteThe numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? If you're talking about the direction of the country, the question is really vague, the polls are the same as when he took office and the result is probably directed more by the economy that Bush inherited from Clinton with the fall of the tech sector than Iraq let alone what the French are doing. As far as Bush's approval rating, aside from a recent 54% & 59%, it hasn't changed a great deal in the past 6 months. Even so, the majority of the country approves of what he is doing despite the protests of some. More importantly, I don't approve of the Clintonian form of leadership where one runs around in front of popular opinion. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #24 February 19, 2003 There was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #25 February 19, 2003 QuoteThere was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? 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wildblue 7 #8 February 18, 2003 QuoteDo you think the orange (heightened terrorist) alert around here might have had anything to do with that? That's something Americans heard about. Then again, it's a poll. Well everyone knows that was just done to try to raise support for a stupid war. "Oh no! We're at level Orange! (whatever that means) I'm frightened! Yes! Go blow shit up, do whatever it takes to make me feel safe again!"it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 February 18, 2003 QuoteAfter all, the presidential election campaigns are heavily influenced by polling. They still aren't random selections though! CBS and the NY Times won't sponsor polls that don't ask specific questions in a specific way, taking "random" samples from a focused demographic (c'mon, run a sample of 1000 people in Middlesex County Massachusetts and compare that with 1000 people from Orange County California, it would be the epitomy of dichotomy).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #10 February 18, 2003 So you are suggesting that the data was gathered in a meaningless fashion. Possible, of course. If you want, I'm sure that it's possible to find out who gathered that information and ask them how it was done. I know that there is standard accepted procedure that has been tested over the years to give a reasonably close approximation reasonably often. I don't have the exact procedure or the numbers on it's effectiveness, and I welcome anyone who does. Also, I believe that these studies are done by independent institutes, the news network simply publishes them. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #11 February 18, 2003 Did you pick up your duct tape and plastic sheet yet?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #12 February 18, 2003 Quote Also, I believe that these studies are done by independent institutes, the news network simply publishes them. Of course. The networks have to pay for those surveys, money never influenced anything... What I am suggesting is that policy cannot be guided by "referrendum". Johnson tried to and it blew up in his face big time. I'm not saying it's done in a meanlingless fashion, but I am saying that these surveys are a cross section of 1000-2000 people within finite geographic or demographic areas. The numbers are always skewed, and that's why you always see a margin of error, rarely less than 4%, and that's a big number.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #13 February 18, 2003 A margin of error of 4% will not make a big difference in this case. The most extreme application of the 4% margin will make the numbers a lot more... mellow, but the message will be retained. Anyway, not that any of this really matters at this stage. We'll find out how much the people approve of Bush on the next election. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #14 February 18, 2003 QuoteThey still aren't random selections though! CBS and the NY Times won't sponsor polls that don't ask specific questions in a specific way, taking "random" samples from a focused demographic (c'mon, run a sample of 1000 people in Middlesex County Massachusetts and compare that with 1000 people from Orange County California, it would be the epitomy of dichotomy). While there most definately is bian in every medium, the assumption goes that the bias is constant. IE, even though the question asked may have been leading (reading the question myself, I don't think so, but I'm just a geek, what do I know?), when the same leading question is asked over time, you can not argue the trend. Even if the question was biased, the same question was asked over a long period of time, and produced a clear trend. Statistics isn't rocket science. If organizations are truely faking polls, it becomes obvious quickly.__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #15 February 18, 2003 QuoteDo you think the orange (heightened terrorist) alert around here might have had anything to do with that? That's something Americans heard about. Then again, it's a poll. Did you click through and read any of the other questions in the poll? It became obvious very quickly this wasn't the case. I'd love to know what you mean by "Then again, it's a poll." Granted that I took statistics in Canada and not the US, but the way I learned it, it's a pretty simple science that usually gives some pretty accurate numbers. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #16 February 18, 2003 Only when it's done right though. There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics. I'm betting it was done right though, just like the other hundreds of polls conducted around the world. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #17 February 18, 2003 [replyDid you click through and read any of the other questions in the poll? It became obvious very quickly this wasn't the case. Quote I'm not signing up. Quote I'd love to know what you mean by "Then again, it's a poll." Granted that I took statistics in Canada and not the US, but the way I learned it, it's a pretty simple science that usually gives some pretty accurate numbers. When you took statistics you learned about confidence intervals and other reasons for error. Statistics are great when you have no idea how they took the sample. Things like how many people they surveyed, when, who, where/how e.g. on the street, mall or telephone, geographic location, etc. all contribute to the validity of the result. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #18 February 19, 2003 The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #19 February 19, 2003 Yeah, your touchy feely way of running this is bullshit. Do you really believe the government makes it policy based on polls? (Well, may be the previous regime.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #20 February 19, 2003 Quote The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? Yeah, just like the stock market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #21 February 19, 2003 Good point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #22 February 19, 2003 QuoteGood point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #23 February 19, 2003 QuoteThe numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? If you're talking about the direction of the country, the question is really vague, the polls are the same as when he took office and the result is probably directed more by the economy that Bush inherited from Clinton with the fall of the tech sector than Iraq let alone what the French are doing. As far as Bush's approval rating, aside from a recent 54% & 59%, it hasn't changed a great deal in the past 6 months. Even so, the majority of the country approves of what he is doing despite the protests of some. More importantly, I don't approve of the Clintonian form of leadership where one runs around in front of popular opinion. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #24 February 19, 2003 There was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #25 February 19, 2003 QuoteThere was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? The country united beyond political lines by jingoism after 9/11 and then went back to normal. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Push 0 #18 February 19, 2003 The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #19 February 19, 2003 Yeah, your touchy feely way of running this is bullshit. Do you really believe the government makes it policy based on polls? (Well, may be the previous regime.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #20 February 19, 2003 Quote The numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? Yeah, just like the stock market! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #21 February 19, 2003 Good point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #22 February 19, 2003 QuoteGood point, but here the public opinion is pretty much all that matters. The trend in the stock market is supposed to be indicative of whatever industry it represents. Arguably, it's ineffective. But this trend is indicative of only the thing measured. The only question is, does the trend in those numbers represent the trend in the overall population? Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #23 February 19, 2003 QuoteThe numbers may not be particularly meaningful, but what about the trend? If you're talking about the direction of the country, the question is really vague, the polls are the same as when he took office and the result is probably directed more by the economy that Bush inherited from Clinton with the fall of the tech sector than Iraq let alone what the French are doing. As far as Bush's approval rating, aside from a recent 54% & 59%, it hasn't changed a great deal in the past 6 months. Even so, the majority of the country approves of what he is doing despite the protests of some. More importantly, I don't approve of the Clintonian form of leadership where one runs around in front of popular opinion. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #24 February 19, 2003 There was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #25 February 19, 2003 QuoteThere was a surge of popularity around 9/11 though. He did lose it. How do you guys think that happened? The country united beyond political lines by jingoism after 9/11 and then went back to normal. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
