kevin922 0 #1 February 19, 2003 Holy crap, for those of you in the military you may know all this - but on the news they were talking about "where does all t he money go??" for wars.. they were going through all the expenses -- one of the missles costs a little over a million per launch, a tank to fire it's main cannon was a little over 5K per round, the 50 cal (i think 50 cal) machine gun on an apache is about 55 bucks per round, the rounds in the m-16 were quoted at 7 cents a round.. They said the #1 expense however was logistics, moving all the troops and heavy artillary all the way around the world then back. That just amazes me how in a few seconds an apache can rack up 60K worth of expenses,.... :( Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #2 February 19, 2003 Yah, but how much does it cost to have troops sitting over there enforcing the UN no fly zone endlessly for the past 11 years? Putting them in harms way with no end in sight is a higher price than an cost for bullets. We need to finish this conflict finally and then get our troops home. Enough is enough. Let's quit screwing around with meaningless UN resolutions. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charliezulu 0 #3 February 19, 2003 QuoteYah, but how much does it cost to have troops sitting over there enforcing the UN no fly zone endlessly for the past 11 years? Putting them in harms way with no end in sight is a higher price than an cost for bullets. We need to finish this conflict finally and then get our troops home. Enough is enough. Let's quit screwing around with meaningless UN resolutions. Chris Amen to that! While we're at it why don't we quit screwing around with a meaningless UN?! CZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #4 February 19, 2003 Yes, we have the best and most expesive toys in the sandbox, but Americans have always been willing to trade gold for blood when it comes to our soldiers. A policy that allows us all to sleep at night.Hearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #5 February 19, 2003 When considering the cost and logistics to "to move troops and equipment all around the world" it has always disappointed me,, that we ( as a country) cannot provide basic shelter and FOOD to all of our OWN citizens....( think poor, and homeless) .....as a higher priority.. We watch as starvation and disease kill MILLIONS,,, world wide... We can move aircraft , battle groups, equipment and man power,,,ANY where on this planet within 24 hours notice,, yet we cannot get medical supplies or clean drinking water to where it is needed...( well we CAN,,, we just DON'T) Are the ethnic warlords in Africa or the renegades in Central and South America, any Less ruthless than Saddam??? when they rampage a village,,, wipe out all living inhabitants,, and then burn the place down????... Unfortunately those places and those people have nothing of value to offer us,,, so we (for the most part ) turn our backs.....Millions, and billions of $$$$ spent to make war..... and very little spent to make peace....We should not be running around,, reacting to symptoms,,,( dictators, terror lunatics, and semi- stable countries with powerful weapons) when it would be more productive to try to treat the root causes ( religious differences, territorial disputes, and human rights violations)... It seems to me that many years ago the US was providing (or more accurately,,, selling) much of our expertise in weapons creation,, and in military tactics and aggression, to some of these locations in the world which have ( suddenly ) become a problem.... (Korea for instance,,Latin America as well)...Man I just shudder when I think of how many jump planes could be built for the cost of ONE Apache,,,"seek and destroy" machine..... Sad... but that is the world in which we live ..... I do not mean to sound unpatriotic,, or unsupportive of the goverments current policy,,, but I come from the "make love not war" generation... Ok let the reactions and the responses fly....I can handle a critique'......jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #6 February 19, 2003 Jim, I happen to agree with you. I think Reagan should have done time in jail for saying he didn't negotiate with terrorist but was trading arms the whole time. We have created the problems we are dealing with. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with them. We tried to send in humanitarian aid to Somalia. People in the field asked for more support to remove the war lords. Instead they were told to take them anyway without the armored support. Then we saw service men dragged through the streets while crowds cheered. I felt we should have gone right back in there and kicked ass to rid that country of the war lords and bring real help to those people. But the general US public was so shocked they wanted a pull out. What kind of tribute is that to our fallen service men who died there? I think that's disgraceful. I say we have no clue in how to provide real aid to a country. North Korea case in point. They are demanding more and more financial support "or else". The people we give aid to don't even appreciate it. That's the thanks we get. We were the largest supporter of humanitarian aid in Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11. Did they appreciate it? Yah they did. They hi-jacked 4 planes and flew them into buildings. Yah, that's appreciation for our aid. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #7 February 19, 2003 >We need to finish this conflict finally and then get our troops home. Before you claim that's cheaper, you have to put a price on american and iraqi lives. How much are you willing to pay to save the life of an american? an iraqi? If we can disarm Iraq, but it takes two years and ten billion dollars, is it worth saving the lives of 100 US servicemen and 100,000 Iraqis? How much money do you have to save before you can look at a marine's widow and tell her you think her husband's life was worth the savings? It's not pleasant to think about, but the price of war is counted in both money and lives. You have to take both into account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #8 February 19, 2003 the money part should be ez, take the oils fields and sell the oil till we have paid for the entire operation. Then help them like we did in afghanistan to set up a democratic form of gov't. I do not feel we will need a full scale war to liberate the people of iraq. Just take out the troops loyal to Hussian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #9 February 19, 2003 >Then help them like we did in afghanistan to set up a democratic > form of gov't. Uh, afganistan does not have a democratic government. It's a country based on the laws of Islam run by an Islamic political party, the Salvation Front. It's detailed in their new consitution. They might be a democracy someday, but they sure ain't now - they are in a constant state of near-coup as various factions vie for power. Of course, claiming they have a central government is stretching it a bit. Most of Afghanistan is still under the control of local warlords, who use local troops to support their reigns. >I do not feel we will need a full scale war to liberate the people of > iraq. Just take out the troops loyal to Hussian. If only it were that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #10 February 19, 2003 Quote Of course, claiming they have a central government is stretching it a bit. Most of Afghanistan is still under the control of local warlords, who use local troops to support their reigns. well the females are better off. They no longer have to wear a veil and I believe drive as well. It's a step in the right direction. Or is it . J/K what do you think of my idea tomake Iraq to pay with oil? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #11 February 19, 2003 >well the females are better off. They no longer have to wear a veil >and I believe drive as well. They have made progress, but they still cab't show their faces. From the BBC: ---------------------------------- Yes, a quarter of girls are back in school, some women have returned to work, and the sounds of music and television permeate the dusty suburbs of Kabul. But there are no women singers on radio, and musicians talk of beatings when they play. There has been opposition to girls' schooling. Schools in two provinces have been rocketed and burnt - and night letters delivered to warn teachers of giving instruction to girls. The women in burkha on the streets of the capital, Kabul, remain the luckiest. At least, they have the personal freedom to leave their homes. For many, the changes wrought by the removal of the Taleban have not reached their private realms, inside the kitchen, and the living room. Those women who wear only head-scarves on the streets, speak quietly of a fear of acid attacks, and of verbal harassment on the streets. ------------------------------ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2569347.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
