bodypilot90 0 #26 February 21, 2003 I'm sure you think Jane Fonda is a great american, Quade? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #27 February 21, 2003 Quote I'm sure you think Jane Fonda is a great american, Quade? Not getting personal or anything, tho, right? --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 February 21, 2003 She is an American and as such entitled to her opinion.It is debatable as to who is indirectly responsible for more deaths of Americans, Jane Fonda or Charlton Heston.I have a pretty good idea who is more "current".Does that answer your question?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #29 February 21, 2003 QuoteIt is debatable as to who is indirectly responsible for more deaths of Americans, Jane Fonda or Charlton Heston. Well only one helped a hostile nation. Having a opinion and helping a nation at war with your own country are a little bit different. I am sure even you would agree...... I agree she is entitled to her opinion but to commit treason is something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 February 21, 2003 QuoteWell only one helped a hostile nation.Now, now. Unless you were actually there, take the stuff you read with a grain of salt because at least some of it is totally ficticious. For instance, she did visit the north and did pose for some photos, but the story about Larry Carrigan, torture of POWs, death of POWs, strips of paper, notes given to Jane, etc. is just plain B.S.http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/hanoijan.htmCheck it out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #31 February 21, 2003 http://www.findarticles.com/cf_natrvw/m1282/13_52/63173676/p1/article.jhtml?term= Thanks Quade I learn something today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #32 February 21, 2003 QuoteIn 1973, a year after her infamous trip, there was the truly horrible response to the first prisoners released by Hanoi, men Jane called "liars, hypocrites, and pawns." She was livid at the charge that these men had been tortured: "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes." One of the first contingent of POWs said that, indeed, he had not only been tortured, but that the Vietnamese had tortured him-broken his arm-for the specific purpose of forcing him to see her during her visit to North Vietnam. Jane's response was a shrug: "Nobody's perfect, not even the Vietnamese." Putting the episode behind her, she and Tom decided a year later to take advantage of what he called "the Watergate moment" to return yet again to Hanoi to shoot the documentary Introduction to the Enemy, an effort to show the North Vietnamese as gentle peasant nationalists who- despite all the provocations-didn't hate the Americans. Is this true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #33 February 21, 2003 Q-dog, you take "entertainment liberal" to a new level. C'mon! "Buena Vista Freak-Daddy's Free Fly Festival" Blow off the world's oldest teenager next new years and give Elsinore a run for their money. Give Barbarella and Moses a rest. "Check your shit Yo!" -Cris DeBar every time he gets to fourteen thousand feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 February 21, 2003 I imagine that it is -mostly- true, but perhaps a bit out of context. I don't think she's exactly "proud" of a lot of things she did, but a lot of things she is accused of doing simply never happened at all.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 February 21, 2003 Quote "entertainment liberal" As opposed to the "entertainment right"? Ya know, Heston, Schwarzenegger, Thompson, yada, yada, yada.I mean, really -- "entertainment" doesn't have anything to do with being liberal or conservative. Except fiscally. Most of the studio heads are pretty fiscally conservative if not downright Scrooge-like. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #36 February 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteEntertainers are nothing but overpaid organ grinder monkeys, who should been seen and not heard. Ya mean like Ronald Reagan(r), Fred Thompson(r), Sonny Bono(r) and Mary(r) his wife that took office after his death, Fred Grandy(r) . . . notice a trend here? Democrats may have actor/activists, but the Republicans actually put them into office! At least they were duly elected officials."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #37 February 21, 2003 QuoteI imagine that it is -mostly- true, but perhaps a bit out of context. I don't think she's exactly "proud" of a lot of things she did, but a lot of things she is accused of doing simply never happened at all. Jane Fonda Expresses Regret for "Hanoi Jane" Photo The photo "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #38 February 21, 2003 Quote As opposed to the "entertainment right"? Whoops! Sorry, I meant "Entertaining Liberal"I just recoil from the method of attacking any individual for his camps icons and ideologues. There was a mass murderer up here called the "freeway killer" back in the 80's. Turned out he was a skydiver. So if you're a skydiver you're a murderer? If you're a liberal you agree with everything Jane Fonda says? If you're a conservative you agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says? Pitting Bono against Schwarzenegger is silly, methinks. These political discussions almost never lead to any changing of the individuals opinions, and do create animosity that discourages participating in them. Hey, I'm blowing out of here at 11:30 going to the DZ and attempting to do a toe-hang off the leading edge of the 206. Borrow Scrooge's jet, bust up here and do your first Cessna strut-hang exit. Then buy a case of beer. Good beer. Chow! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #39 February 21, 2003 QuoteQuote Democrates may have actor/activists, but the Republicans actually put them into office! LOL I never thought of that! Is that a plus for the Republicans or Democrats?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #40 February 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteIt is debatable as to who is indirectly responsible for more deaths of Americans, Jane Fonda or Charlton Heston. Well only one helped a hostile nation. Having a opinion and helping a nation at war with your own country are a little bit different. I am sure even you would agree...... I agree she is entitled to her opinion but to commit treason is something else.\ There are a lot of people, even Americans, that consider the USA a hostile nation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #41 February 21, 2003 Quote>I disagree. I believe firmly that Amerians are obsessed with the opinions of celebrity . . . Perhaps, but "any american" does not neccessarily equal "any intelligent person." And indeed some TV or movie personalities are pretty sharp; watch any interview with Terry Gilliam. Not to mention the other Pythons: Michael Palin and Terry Jones - Oxford; John Cleese, Graham Chapman and Eric Idle - Cambridge graduates.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #42 February 21, 2003 QuoteShe is an American and as such entitled to her opinion. Does that mean non Americans aren't entitled to opinions?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #43 February 21, 2003 QuoteThere are a lot of people, even Americans, that consider the USA a hostile nation. but for any american to do what she did, should perhaps be tried for treason. Maybe not I was small, maybe Quade is right and most of it was a lie. If my son or brother was prisoner when she did that I would not want her back in the USA. kallend, DO YOU consider the USA a hostile nation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #44 February 21, 2003 Especially my favorite, Jane Fonda, ooops, sorry I forgot, she apologized.Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #45 February 21, 2003 Quote She is an American and as such entitled to her opinion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does that mean non Americans aren't entitled to opinions? Some are not. What if Ms. fonda would have been from Iraq when they were fighting Iran. Somehow I believe when she returned home she would have been shot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #46 February 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteThere are a lot of people, even Americans, that consider the USA a hostile nation. but for any american to do what she did, should perhaps be tried for treason. Maybe not I was small, maybe Quade is right and most of it was a lie. If my son or brother was prisoner when she did that I would not want her back in the USA. kallend, DO YOU consider the USA a hostile nation? Well, where I work and where I live (wealthy Chicago suburb, mostly professionals living here, politically Republican/Centrist) there seems to be near universal opposition to going to war until the UN inspectors declare Iraq in non-compliance. On this forum and other internet sites, there are a lot of Americans who have already made up their minds, and the White House has stated in clear terms that the administration's mind is made up. So right now it seems to be a country divided, but there sure are a lot of "hostiles" around these forums.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #47 February 21, 2003 Quote Quote She is an American and as such entitled to her opinion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does that mean non Americans aren't entitled to opinions? Some are not. What if Ms. fonda would have been from Iraq when they were fighting Iran. Somehow I believe when she returned home she would have been shot Iraq is a very small nation - what about, say the French or the Germans or the Chinese or the Swedes or the Brits or the Russians; are they entitled to an opinion? Can they disagree without being denigrated as ingrates and fair weather friends?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #48 February 21, 2003 no._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #49 February 21, 2003 Quote but for any american to do what she did, should perhaps be tried for treason. Maybe not I was small, maybe Quade is right and most of it was a lie. If my son or brother was prisoner when she did that I would not want her back in the USA. /reply] Treason is defined very precisely in the Constitution. It is not clear that Fonda's actions in N. Vietnam fit the definition.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #50 February 21, 2003 Quote At least they were duly elected officials. Yeah, unlike the current President. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
quade 4 #50 February 21, 2003 Quote At least they were duly elected officials. Yeah, unlike the current President. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
