peace rally in San Diego this weekend

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Man, you're quick!

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Hey, somebody has to be.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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full of holes yes... completely untrue... no. The thing about snopes is the detail that they require to say true or false, sure Bahrain is a gulf state but not an opec one, does that really matter. Still an Idea, for the past 4 years I have only given the money for gas to BP, shit let the brits have it

I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle

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Good for you, billvon! I was sick w/ a bad cold last month when they had the "pre-emptive" peace rally in DC. I think something like 300,000 showed up for that one, and it was cold that weekend!

I also wanna stress that I totally respect & support our soldiers who are risking their lives for us. I DO NOT blame soldiers for the blunderings of the Commander in Chief. I think Saddam is an evil bastard & the world would be better off without him on it, but I think we're fighting the wrong war at the wrong time. Before all this Iraq shit started heating up, if you asked Arabs what problems they had with the USA, the first thing on their minds was the Israeli/Palestinian issue. And Bush has chosen to totally ignore that issue in favor of pursuing another war which will just piss off the Arab world even more, and is not directly related to the 9/11 attacks.

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[Iflyme 0]

Funny?

A cynical European reporter asks an American diplomat, "What proof do
you have that Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction?" and the American
replies "We kept the receipts."

[kallend 2,117]

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You mean like Germany, France and England, right? Wait, wait, that's right, American Service men DID protect them.

Oh, Canada, you must mean our northern neighbors...it was in conjunction with the US military that radar nets and security measures were set in place during the '50s and '60s to protect us all from the Soviet Bear.

Maybe you should think about Switzerland and Sweden instead. BTW, most Brits don't consider themselves particularly protected by US servicemen. British participation in the cold war put Britain on the front line, only 4 minutes away from the USSR by nuclear (nucular to you Texans) missile, while Fylingdales radar in Yorkshire gave the US a 30 minute warning. We didn't have "duck and cover" exercises as kids in the '50s, becuse we knew we'd get no time to duck.

Bought your duct tape yet?

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[kallend 2,117]

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Wait, wait, that's right, American Service men DID protect them.

And the Allied pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain were protecting America as well. Montgomery's Eight Army that defeated Rommel was protecting America as well. Russia attacking Germany from the east was protecting America as well.

If none of these had happened one could speculate that after conquering Europe and Africa Hitler might have had a go at America as well. Dave a lot of Americans have died defending other countries' freedom, but a lot of non-Americans have also died defending America's freedom.

Is America the grudging protector of global freedom or the capitalistic exploiter? I don't know, sometimes I think it is both.

Let's not forget the Norwegian resistance fighters who died while destroying Germany's atomic bomb project. Perhaps you've forgotten, but the fission of Uranium was a (Nazi) German discovery.

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nucular to you Texans

Are you trying to insult my intelligence now? That sir, is a personal attack! Try re-reading the Forum Rules.

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BTW, most Brits don't consider themselves particularly protected by US servicemen.

I was referring to WWII. You know, that little conflict in Europe a while back...the one that my grandfather fought in, the one that quite a few of the males in my family fought in. The one that would have left Europe speaking German if it wasn't for the Americans!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[AggieDave 6]

BTW, I was offended by your remark about Texans, if you didn't notice. Even if you *were* trying to be funny.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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There is an open bordered and all are free to leave the U.S.
That is point and fact.

You confuse opposition to the current US administration's policies with opposition to the US and its people. They are not the same thing at all.

Lest you forget, some 500,000 more citizens voted for Gore than for Bush. Bush won because this is a republic and not a democracy.

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The Soldier

It's the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us
Freedom of the Press.
It's the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us
Freedom of speech.
It's the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has
given us the Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given
us the Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the Soldier who salutes the Flag, serves under the Flag, and whose
coffin is draped by the Flag, who gives the protester the right to burn
the
Flag.


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It's a pity he didn't add:

It's the soldier, not the politician, who goes in harms's way at the politician's bidding.

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Are you trying to insult my intelligence now? That sir, is a personal attack!

Ah, you'd probably hate my favorite morning radio show then. They dog on a certain fairly well known Texan's mispronunciation of the word "nuclear" at least once a week.

Relax Dave. Do like us fruits and nuts out here in Cali do. Let those poor souls up there in the frozen north talk smack all they want about your state while you sit back and enjoy the great weather, beautiful scenery and year round skydiving.

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Relax Dave

Look at it this way, I'm an intelligent Texan who goes to school at the best public school in Texas, which is one of the better school in the US, which also has a long tradition of extreme excellence in the US military. I was insulted.


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--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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It's the soldier, not the politician, who goes in harms's way at the politician's bidding.

Are you trying to dig on soldiers now?

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

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I was insulted.

Okay. I'm a California native who is very proud of the awesome state I live in. I'm insulted when people dis California and those who live here. Just like not every person in Texas mispronounces "nuclear", not every Californian is a gay, crazy, left wing radical environmentalist. I don't take every dis of California and it's residents in the forums as a personal attack, and most of the other "fruits and nuts" who post here don't either.

Relax. Blow it off. And remember. He's freezing his ass off right now; you wore shorts all day today.

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not every Californian is a gay, crazy, left wing radical environmentalist.

You have proof of this?

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

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I accept that the French government needs a push and I know that Schroeder was elected on an antiwar footing.

However, the point I was trying to make is that publicly leaking frustration of a less than flattering, possibly insulting nature at those governments opposed to your action is not going to win support in the broader sense. I remember the flurry of diplomacy that went on befroe GW1 and that wasn't as complicated as the current crisis. Hard edge diplomacy is one thing but wrap it up in diplomatic language.
How does the rhetoric play with the populations of other wavering nations? Possibly those in the Arab league?

The US is the weight behind NATO and some European countries see NATO as being more relevant than the UN. Failings in the Balkans have shown that teeth are needed behind the resolution or else the resolutions get ignored. NATO is trying to find a role for itself and the action in Kosovo has shown what it can do. I think a few people are worried that NATO may begin to charge around without the UN. And lets face it there's nobody that could challenge NATO if they did.

David

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You have proof of this?

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Funny?

A cynical European reporter asks an American diplomat, "What proof do
you have that Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction?" and the American
replies "We kept the receipts."

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

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[kmcguffee 0]

I'm thinking that requires a very intellectual response................................................., yeah that ought to do it.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

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I'm an intelligent Texan who goes to school at the best public school in Texas

I'd have to say that in some circles, those would be fightin' words . Me I went to the best private school in Texas. That would be the one whose band Texas A&M kept trapped in the stadium for several hours due to a sense of humor deficiency. Admittedly it was 1973, but it's way too much fun to remember

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,090]

>>It's the soldier, not the politician, who goes in harms's way at the
>> politician's bidding.

>Are you trying to dig on soldiers now?

Sounds more like a dig on politicians.

[AggieDave 6]

Even now, 30 years later, I think the Mob got what it deserved for what they did...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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This is CRAP! Everyone on the left is bound to their veiws. "Peace, stop terrorism, but... peace. Yeah that's it, we will stop all the terrorism and protect our countries future, but uhhhh... we... uhhh... we can't harm a fly doing it. Besides, all our leaders care about is oil."

Everyone on the right is the same. "Fight, fight, fight! Kill, kill, kill. F*&^ what anyone else thinks, especially the rest of the world."

We sit here and argue endlessly saying the same shit over and over again and I haven't seen a single person on her be open minded enough to change their views. Sometimes it reminds me of watching a soap opera, they say the same shit over and over again the entire show but for some reason you keep watching.

So, since I'm as guilty of this as everyone else, and probably 90% of you haven't read half this post, and this kind of thing will never stop, I'll leave you with my right-wing point of view.

Bill, all you did was help cause a traffic jam, congradulations!

-So, how hard is the ground?!

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I haven't seen a single person on her be open minded enough to change their views.

I doubt anyone would change their views radically and announce it here (after all -- think of all the "I told you so" posts that would follow ). But I'll bet a lot of people have more to consider in forming their opinions, and some of them are willing to consider stuff they hadn't thought was important before.

Anyway, we have at least established that Aggies don't have a sense of humor, and that they think that's OK ( to AggieDave).

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)