Sadham wants to have a debate with Bush.. LOL

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Bush said.. Nope.. Nothing to debate boy! You have been given your orders! lol

Good way to start the morning..


Good morning all!


Rhino

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personally, i think it's an appropriate offer from Sadaam. it shows depleting all means of diplomacy before initiating full blown war. if Bush decides to decline Sadaam's offer, it will only solidify my contention that he is "hell bent on war, no matter what" it would also be a sign of cowardice on bush's part. i applaud Sadaam's offer.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[AndyMan 7]

I think it's hillarious, Sadamm is playing the PR game better then Bush!

Sadamm knows full well that Bush would never take him up on the offer, it's a great empty gesture he knows will never come to light. It lets him portray himself as the great benevolent democratic leader, and Bush as a raving lunatic intent on mass destruction. It lets him effectively turn the tables.

Hussein has no intention of ever appearing on a televised 'debate'.

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Hussein has no intention of ever appearing on a televised 'debate'.

Agreed...


And I don't think it is appropriate at all for Sadham to be asking for a debate. Andy is right. This is just PR.. No one gives a fuck at this point. Sadham has his choice.

Rhino

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Hussein has no intention of ever appearing on a televised 'debate'.

i dissagree Andy, i'm fairly familiar with the Muslims, and the middle eastern culture, Sadaam would not have made that gesture if he did not intend for it to be genuine, for him to make the gesture, then decline once it is accepted, would mean for him to "lose face" with his people, this is something he would not do. Sadaam did a four hour set down television interview with Dan Rather, and Dan had full access to Sadaam, and Tariq Aziz. Sadaam definitely does not want war, but he will "go for it" if bush decides to advance. even if Sadaam has no intentions of doing a televised debate, wouldn't it be wise to accept, and then let him do the "crawfishing?" Bush doesn't have any grounds for attacking, he knows it. North Korea is a bigger threat than Iraq right now. they successfully test fired another rocket capable of carrying nucluear warheads into the china sea yesterday. Viet Naam ring a bell anyone?

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isn't it peculiar that we the U.S.A. can announce new microwave weapons, or any other weapons we have built of mass destruction to the world, and no one says anything? who's policing the police? DAMN, can't any one see what is REALLY going on?

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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Why would Bush agree to that? Sadam is not one you'd "debate" on television. It'd be rhetoric and lies all the way through and then it'd be cut up and manipulated by him so he "sadam" looked good to his own people. no way. and of course "no" means we're going to war.

Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky

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Sadaam did a four hour set down television interview with Dan Rather

Dan said that he was walking stiff, and that he had
a bad back? Get real Dan, Thats all the body armor
he was wearing

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i can't believe how gullible you people are. i thought it was just bush in a rush to war, now it seems a lot of americans are as well, this saddens me. do you have any children, do you have a son, or daughter in the military? i do, and i think we should exaust every diplomatic means at our disposal before starting something we can't finish, and will cause hundreds of thousands of lives to be dissplaced, not to mention costing "us" the taxpayers 30 billion for Turkey alone, not counting the costs for this war which will be in the trillion range, i don't know about you people, but my taxes are high enough, the economy is shite, and this situation warrants every means of solution before "locking horns" if we're hell bent on war, who's the real terroists? think about the refugees, families, children who will be killed, homeless, starving. yeah, that's the image i want to portray to the world as an american, and we wonder why they hate us...go figure.

"If none of us, believes in war. Then can you tell me what the weapons for? Listen to me...everyone, if the button is pushed, there will be no where to run"

Ozzy Osbourne

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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Thats all the body armor he was wearing

negative, Sadaam does have a bad back, not to mention he's over 70 years old. he would have no use for body armour in one of his own palaces, believe me, i've seen them, you don't get within a ten mile buffer zone unless your authorized, if your not you'd be AK-47'd to death, believe me.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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Saddams offer was a stall tactic. Divorce lawyers call this "mediation". Whoever is on the good end of the interim settlement will postpone a final decision by getting the judge to set a mediation meeting out 3 months.

Saddam is wants to set up a talk. A talk will take 6 months to set up. He has been stalling for 10 years. He's had plenty of time to talk. Just before the talks, he would request "documents" or "information" and postpone them while he reviews the "documents". What does he want to talk about? That is what the UN is for.

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he told Dan Rather he was ready for immediate disscussions with ol' wyubya. he spoke with Rather on on one, and it took Rather 3 hours to set up the meeting.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[diverdriver 7]

Not saying you're wrong Richard, but what has been going on for the past 12 years since the last Gulf war? Endless resolutions with no consequences and non compliance by Iraq. When does diplomacy really end? Why is none of the past 12 years being considered in this stance by anti-war people? It seems that only what G.W. has done since the beginning of his presidency has been looked at. And as I remember Bush 43 came in with a hands off stance towards foreign policy. Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you. Well, we got messed with. No, Iraq did nothing against the U.S. directly recently but they have been in non-compliance for 12 years and they HAVE been shooting at our jets in the no-fly zones. So why should we keep sending our sons and daughters into harms way for a resolution that will never end? This needs to come to a head and be finished. Then we can focus all of our attention on North Korea which needs to be dealt with for sure.

Chris

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It's a good thing that Saddam finally found his Leaders of Countries rolodex. In the past 10 years, he would have called, but he couldn't find ol' Georges number. The UN tried to get him to use diplomatic means for how many years? He didn't seem interested. Now it's a big rush?

Remember how the North Vietnamese didn't want to come to the peace talks until the B-52 strikes started hammering them?

What part does Saddam need explained to him? The UN said these are the rules. Abide by them. Seems clear. He wants the world to hear him say, "I would have negotiated, but the Great Satan didn't want to." "I'm Sadam the peace maker."

Stalling, posturing, and more BS.

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No, Iraq did nothing against the U.S. directly recently but they have been in non-compliance for 12 years and they HAVE been shooting at our jets in the no-fly zones.

Chris:

i completely agree with what you're saying. but now 12 years later, were we asleep at the switch? it's not Sadaam's fault he never complied, it's the un inspectors fault.

as far as them shooting at our aircraft in the no fly zone, i have personally observed our aircraft pulling the same stunt, day after day, only it doesn't get reported.

all i'm saying, is give the man his debate, it would prove more enlightning than a lot of us realize. Dick Cheney, ex CEO of Halliburton sold Iraq over 70% of it's explosives, france, germany, turkey, belgium has a lot of money and munitions in Iraq as well, why are we not attacking them? in the event that we face such a catastrophic affair, it would only be fair to exaust all diplomatic options before firing the first salvo. all i am saying, is give peace a chance. we go over there and bomb Iraq, kaydee bar the door, don't go out at night, and lock up your women, and children, it's that simple, these are the cold, hard, harsh facts of reality.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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have you ever been to the middle east? Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, Bahrain? if you haven't, your not qualified to speak on the subject in an informed tone. and again, who's policing the police?

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--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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have you ever been to the middle east? Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, Bahrain? if you haven't, your not qualified to speak on the subject in an informed tone. and again, who's policing the police?

I'll try to remember which topics that I am qualified to have an opinion on. Hope that applies to everyone.

However, since the topic that we are discussing is the policy-making process for world leaders, are you by any chance the leader of a country? I've met with a few in my travels. I am kinda qualifed to speak on their thought process.

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Sadham is a pussy..... We are going to whip his asssssss!!!

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Personally I doubt that a "televised debate" would achieve anything - Politicians are a bit like our radios in that they get stuck on transmit and when that happens they don't receive anything.

I suspect that the "debate" would consist of nothing more than speeches by the 2 protagonists aimed more at their target audiences than at actually settling anything.

On a lighter note...

"LONDON - A serious internal crisis is threatening the UN Security Council after a visibly shaken and furious Great Britain announced that she was suspending the privileges of independence granted to America after the War of Colonial Insurrection. Britain announced that the United States would not be coming to play at the UN any more until it has "learnt some manners and stopped making so much damned noise."

Britain told waiting reporters the reasons for her decision: "I'd just had it up to here" she explained. "We all know that every new nation goes through some problems over its first century, but this has been going on far too long, well past it being normal. It's been giving me such a headache – every day I come in having had to cope all day with miserable weather, bad teeth and a frankly appalling sense of fashion, only to find that while my back’s been turned, the little sod's gone and got into some fight and is on the verge of turning a regional problem into global Armageddon."

"He just never learns – he's bigger than all the other kids, and so they just gang up on him and poke fun at him whenever they can, which just makes him even more mad. And of course, he has to keep all the best toys to himself. I've told him that if he would just share his things with his friends, they would all get along, but he's so stubborn about not letting anyone else have his thermo-nuclear inter-continental missiles."

"And if he's not actually out fighting, then he leaves the house in a complete mess. The other night, I got back and found that every light and appliance had been left on, just guzzling up fuel and electricity like there's nobody else in the world. And coming from his room was this god-awful manufactured pop music playing full blast – I tell you, I wasn't far from taking up the invitation to 'hit my baby, one more time'."

Pausing briefly to draw on a cigarette, Britain continued "Well, anyway, there’s only so much an old woman like me can put up with. I had to put my foot down – so I went into his room and told him I was taking the 1783 Treaty of Paris away from him. No more political autonomy, no more unrestricted navigation of the Mississippi and plenty of taxation without representation, I can assure you. Of course, he wasn't happy, he's in his room sulking now, but it's the only way he’ll learn."

Commentators speculated that the difficulty in the relationship between Britain and the US stems from their being a dysfunctional, single parent family from the start. While it is universally accepted that Britain is the Mother Country, the identity of the father has remained a mystery. Speculation has centred on Spain – who was seen heading up to his hotel room with Britain after a heavy drinking session at the 1648 Westphalia Conference – but the rumours have never been confirmed.

Not surprisingly, the United States was unhappy with his mother's attitude. "It's so typical of her, she’s such a bitter old hag," said America. "She knows her best days are behind her, so she takes out her inferiority complex on me – she treats me like a baby, but I'm nearly 230 years old. She's just jealous because I dare to be different – all right, so sometimes I don't phone before I invade a Third World country and maybe I rub her nose in it by celebrating my 'birthday' every July, but you should see the stuff she lets Canada get away with! She even lets them speak French even though she's been fighting with France for most of her life. But Canada's always been the favorite, just because that little hockey-playing goody-two-shoes acts so sweet and innocent."

It is expected that once Britain has calmed down and had a few cups of tea, it will reconsider, and allow the United States back out to do as it wants again, but for now, Mum is enjoying a few moments of respite, while Junior sulks about the unfairness of it all."

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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***negative, Sadaam does have a bad back, not to mention he's over 70 years old.

Hussein was born in 1937, making him 66 years old.

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, i'm fairly familiar with the Muslims, and the middle eastern culture, Sadaam would not have made that gesture if he did not intend for it to be genuine, for him to make the gesture, then decline once it is accepted, would mean for him to "lose face" with his people

1) If Saddam is true Muslim, then I am Andy Griffith.
2) Saddam knew such a gesture would not be accepted, so even if he was worried, he had no face to lose.

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i can't believe how gullible you people are

Dude, you thought Saddam was serious about a debate...now, I don't mean this personally, but to have any measure of trust or faith in the words of a man conditioned to violence and torture, concerns me deeply.

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do you have any children, do you have a son, or daughter in the military? i do

They volunteered, and they (along with all servicemen and women and veterans) have my eternal gratitude and support. Seriously.

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he told Dan Rather he was ready for immediate disscussions

What again is there to discuss? That is what the UN is for (if ever there was a use) and they've squandered the opportunities time, and time again.

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North Korea ... they successfully test fired another rocket capable of carrying nucluear warheads into the china sea yesterday

From Fox News.com -- "A North Korean diplomat at a summit of non-aligned nations in Malaysia downplayed the launch, saying "What big incident? Everybody has missiles." The missile was thought to be a short-range, anti-ship missile not a long-range ballistic one."

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Richard, I am not in a rush for war. I support our President. -- That is not necessarily an oxymoron. I'll watch Rather's interview on Wednesday, I have no expectations.

I also know that the diplomatic efforts of the past twelve years have yielded a net of ZERO.

Unfortunately, we're seeing that the diplomatic efforts in the 1990s that created the "Agreed Framework" with DPRK were also a fruitless effort in the end.

Lessons learned (and I hope remembered by future political leaders): Despotic, brutal, violent governments will no longer be afforded economic and material quarter without significant reforms.

Will we be able to carry that vision through? I hope so. Is it a lot of ask? Probably.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[wmw999 2,589]

What does it cost us to debate Saddam Hussein? The biggest problem is the logistical one of getting both of them in the same room. That wouldn't be essential, but it would make the debate far more real. It's hard to say things in person that you're willing to say over a telecom.

If it's just face, well, y'know, I would sacrifice a huge amount of face to save the lives of our soldiers. I have plenty more face where that came from. The thing about doing the honorable thing is that there's always plenty more honor. Once you give it up and rely on strength, well, someone else might be stronger someday, and remember you.

Wendy w.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I'll try to remember which topics that I am qualified to have an opinion on. Hope that applies to everyone.

it does apply to everyone. but some of us are more informed than others. if you have not been in these countries in the last year, you are not as qualified as i am to comment on it. i have over 500 sky dives, but diver XXXX has 5 thousand, who's better to comment on the subject, him, or myself?

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However, since the topic that we are discussing is the policy-making process for world leaders.

this was not the topic of disscussion, the topic was that Sadaam wanted to debeate ol' wyubya

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are you by any chance the leader of a country?

no, i am not, but that doesn't mean i'm not informed, moreso than others

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I've met with a few in my travels. I am kinda qualifed to speak on their thought process.

as i've said numerous times, if your not willing to go over there, then hold your tongue. you understand nothing about the culture, religion, politics, etc...i've lived with these people, i've worked with them, i am their supervisor in the middle east when i go over there, i've seen first hand what goes on over there recently, i will also deploy for active duty assignment again on the 28th of this month, want to come along? i thought not. then since you've spoken to some world leaders, who are the main world leaders in the middle east? Saudi-Yemen-Quatar-Bahrain-Turkey-UAE-Africa-Iran?

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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it's not Sadaam's fault he never complied, it's the un inspectors fault.

This is where I disagree completely. The UN put forth the resolution. Sadam had the chance to comply on his own. He would have much more ground to stand on if he had. I don't see how this is the Inspectors fault. They tried to do their jobs and they were constantly blocked at every turn. Why? Because Iraq really does have WMD.

If I were pulled over for DUI and the officer tried to arrest me and I resisted who's fault is it that I resisted? The officer's or mine?

Chris

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>Saddams offer was a stall tactic.

Agreed, but what's the harm in taking him up on it? We're going to invade in 3-5 weeks anyway; why not tell him "OK, March 5th, in Bahrain (or wherever), see you there"? We need international support for this war; a "PR tactic" like this one may well help get that support.

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>Saddams offer was a stall tactic.

Agreed, but what's the harm in taking him up on it? We're going to invade in 3-5 weeks anyway; why not tell him "OK, March 5th, in Bahrain (or wherever), see you there"? We need international support for this war; a "PR tactic" like this one may well help get that support.

And it would be an excellent opportunity for a "regime change". Which means he never really would leave his country to debate Bush. Or would this be his way of saying "I surrender now that I'm out of my country." And interesting thought.

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Iraq really does have WMD.

so do we. our military has been lying to us, and decievieng us since adam & eve. one more time, "who's policing the police?" the UN has had 12 years to monitor, inspect and insure that Sadaam would be in compliance with the WMD destruction, i believe someone fell asleep at the swith, Pearl Harbor ring a bell. ther we were drinking, chasing women, dancing, golfing taking it easy, and all of the sudden...well the rest is history. the same thing with 09/11 we were complacent, and our enemies know they cannot attack us if we are "awake"

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"