f1freak 0 #26 February 27, 2003 QuoteThey certainly have a good guess. It doesn't mean supply and demand don't hold. Champagne suppliers know people buy champagne around new years; prices still go up when demand does. To keep prices the same requires additional supply, and building new refineries to deal with a two-month surge in demand makes little economic sense. Building massive tanks - same thing. Cheaper and easier to run refineries at maximum capacity and let prices fluctuate. You're right, they're not dumb. They're quite smart, which is why they make a lot of money. Which, of course, is the definition of success in the USA. >Yes they do.... >but the crude is earmarked for production WAY before it is >needed..... So you're saying they have an exact forecast for winter 6 months beforehand? Where do they get this awesome temperature forecast? I bet they could make a lot of money just selling that info to farmers . . . OK, so you think this winter has been out of the norm..... guess again..... the temps in overall have been above average.... the upper midwest was WAY above normal this year.... so the argument of weather dosent hold water..... The prices didnt go crazy till we had the threat of war with a middle eastern country..... We have no realistic alternatives to oil right now, i agree we need them..... but we dont have them now.....HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #27 February 27, 2003 >so the argument of weather dosent hold water.... the east coast has had one of its coldest winters ever. Oyster Bay froze over; that only happens a few times a century. >We have no realistic alternatives to oil right now, i agree we need > them..... >but we dont have them now..... Of course we have them now. You can, right now, go and buy a diesel truck and run it on biodiesel. Right now you can buy a natural gas car. We have them; you just have to use them. Studying them for another 20 years will not get them in people's driveways. Buying them will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #28 February 27, 2003 ok, VERY few places on the east coast have been colder than average.... yes way more snow.... But looking at the nation as a whole it has been above average.... yes, the technoilogy you are talking about has been around a long time, but it still will not give the performance of gas.... like it or not that's what we as a country want.....HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #29 February 27, 2003 how many gas stations sell biodiesel or natural gas outside California?I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryskydives 0 #30 February 27, 2003 >I just want one of those cars where I can stop by McDonald's and put their used vegtable oil in it. Let me get this straight: after an afternoon of sitting around in my $500 leisure suit drinking $50 bottles of french wine. I can fry up a mess of catfish in the fuel vegetable oil in my VW rabbit diesel. Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #31 February 27, 2003 We are on record as having the coldest and longest winter since the late 70's here in Ohio. We are currently 14 degrees below average and the 10 day shows we will only rise 6 degrees more all week. 1 more inch of snow puts us at the 50 inch mark for the season. We have had snow on the ground for 75 straight days. The last time Ohio had this many single digit days in a season it was when Rounds were all the rage and no one had heard of a personal computer. This year is way below average for most of the midwest.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevets 0 #32 February 27, 2003 I didn't read all of the replies on this topic, but I have to disagree with you. Supply and demand is what creates and moves the price of fuel (and all other commodities). I want a new rig but they are expensive.. lets "investigate"... when its all said and done, how much more does it really cost you to fuel up? a couple of extra bucks? -also just my opinion but if a person can afford to skydive then a rise in the cost of fuel shouldn't said you running around freaking out. If your budget runs that close than I guess you have 1-2 less jumps a month to pay for your expensive gas. Just my$0.02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 February 27, 2003 >yes, the technoilogy you are talking about has been around a long time, > but it still will not give the performance of gas.... Natural gas easily gives the same performance as gasoline; biodiesel gives you better mileage, more power and longer engine life than petroleum based diesel. And it smells a lot better. The issue is not performance, it's convenience. There are fewer natural gas and biodiesel filling stations than gas stations. >like it or not that's what we as a country want..... That may be; just be sure that you're ok with the results, including high gas prices and dead US servicemen and women. To me, future middle east wars are too high a price to pay for convenience. Our military is willing to sacrifice their lives to stabilize the middle east; it seems like we should be willing to sacrifice as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #34 February 27, 2003 > how many gas stations sell biodiesel or natural gas outside California? Actually, the alternate fuel for the rest of the midwest is ethanol or E50. It's sold throughout the midwest, and ford makes a whole line of vehicles that run on it (their FFV line.) Biodiesel is available in all 50 states but it's not common; natural gas is available everywhere. Something like 40% of US towns have natural gas lines running into every block. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #35 February 27, 2003 I am having a treadmill fitted in my car so my girlfriend can help our with the gas millage when we go to the DZ. Maybe if we fitted a methane recovery system to the seats in the jump plane we could run the turbines off skydiver gas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
