Zenister 0 #226 February 28, 2003 QuoteQuoteBut everyone on the planet can not get free health care at my expense. Basically you're saying that you would not agree to higher taxes if it would save human lives. That's kind of cold IMO. it may be cold, but as we are not really that far from drowning in each others sweat.... I say no. I would not agree to pay higher taxes to save human lives..we are breeding to fast already..since it it my money i would rather it go to those humans i personally care about first.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tb62871 0 #227 February 28, 2003 I'm not calling anyone un American. But if people don't like what goes on here why would they want to stay? If they want to stayy that tells me they want to be citizens not illegals(criminals) and noone but ctitzens have the right to the taxes that i pay as a duty to my country. --TB Welcome my friends to the show that never ends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #228 February 28, 2003 Perhaps, if everyone was more involved in charity and good will via their local church (or whatver their choice is) this would not be so much of an issue. In smaller communities years ago, I need never went beyond local assistance. I know it is much more complicated now. But I think the attitude has changed.... We cannot help everyone, due to sheer numbers. I would rather help those around me and the generousity will grow in widening circles. anyone seen pay it forward?-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tb62871 0 #229 February 28, 2003 yeah thats the one where the little boy dies because he helped people. i'm not against the helping peop;e part but if you noticed he mosty helped those close to himself. --TB Welcome my friends to the show that never ends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #230 February 28, 2003 QuoteI've generally found that people who say that are really telling me that if I don't agree with them, I'm un-American. Which is kind of offensive to me; I thought Americans could disagree. Americans CAN disagree..The comment was to people WHO ARE NOT AMERICAN, but feel like we should change things to make them happy. This is AMERICA...If you are an AMERICAN..feel free to say what ever you want, even about the United States. However while I think freedom of speach should be given to everybody, it really pisses me off to see people live here ILLEGALLY, and demand the same rights as the people who are citizens. Quote took the comment, given the context and the addressee, to be the kind of thoughtless comment that's not intended as racist or offensive, but comes off that way. The comment was not intended to be racist (I don't care about offensive). If you are not a CITIZEN of the US. And you don't like the way we do things....Become a CITIZEN, and VOTE/LOBBY ect to do what you feel is right....If you are not a CITIZEN, then shut up, or move back to whatever lovely country you fled from. QuoteSeeing the comment maker's team web page, I know it's not that. But it took looking at the team web page (and seeing the members of the teams) to really be sure. And now you know I am not Hitler. Amazing what you can learn if you look huh? (not directed at you wmw). America ....Come legally and have a great time. Come in illegally, and be sent packing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,593 #231 February 28, 2003 One thing about helping those in "your community" is that it doesn't encourage you to look beyond. If you live in a privileged community, then your definition of "needs help" can be very skewed. I remember when a college friend told me, as we passed through some of what passes for slums in Houston "These are some of the poorest neighborhoods in the world." Not even close, folks. It's not that we shouldn't help those in our community; but we should look beyond, because we're all part of the same community in one way or another. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #232 February 28, 2003 Oops, i did not know that I just heard that he had the idea of helping and then everyone that was helped helps three other people. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #233 February 28, 2003 Very true Wendy. But many people do neither. If all we had to do was convince people already helping others to expand their circle, I think that would be a molehill compared to what we face.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #234 March 2, 2003 Sure it's great, some of us here want to save the world, and have peace on earth, but that is just not realistic. I understand some people give to charities and what have you, and that makes you feel good, but not me. I pay for other peoples medical bills and lawyers and alot of other crap with my taxes. I pay my taxes and I don't complain because this country has given something to me, (freedom and protection the only 2 things it really owes me) and I inturn have to give something back. We all have this strange belief that the Government owes us something. Well, they don't. They only Owe us PROTECTION and our Freedom. All the other programs, and benefits are because they are being nice. We asked and they gave, but just remember they didn't have to. The system isn't perfect, by no means is that the case, but when people get a free ride at the expense of the citizens without our consent, it costs us all just a bit more. I am very welthy compared to people in other countries, I know that. But, I was born here, and I worked for my education, and for my job, and the benefits that allows me ($$$) I intend to keep. All of it except for what I owe Uncle Sam. If Uncle Sam says my freedom cost 50% of my salary, then fine I will pay, so long as the money goes to protect me, a citizen. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #235 March 3, 2003 Quote Well some of us don't make millions, but I do OK. Congratulations Well then, my comments do not apply to you, do they ? -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites