quade 4 #1 March 5, 2003 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=716&e=11&u=/nm/20030304/ts_nm/korea_north_dc Ya know, I'm not a rocket scientist, but isn't that just going to make things . . . I don't know . . . more difficult?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 March 5, 2003 Yeah right... closer for first strike if its needed. Plus they are only 2 refuels from Iraq this way instead of the 4 in the the US. Nice to have the ability to put up a wave of B-52's and have them be out of the reach of everything but still able to strike Iraq. I don't see this as affecting NK at all, but more of a move for Iraq since they are more useful to the military there then in Nebraska. With the limited airbases in the gulf and the possibility of no Turkey it allows for 24 more bombers to be within 8-12 hours of Bagdad. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 March 5, 2003 This is a stupid move. It puts excess presure on NK at a time when we know that they have first strike nuke capability. Sure it's MAD, but I don't think Kim cares if he goes up in a mushroom cloud as long as his last act is to push the button on us -- so why provoke him?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #4 March 5, 2003 I say strike now, and I mean right now. While he is still whining about the US moving troops to get ready to attack him. Better for the US to strike first and destroy him before he can push any buttons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #5 March 5, 2003 They deployed the Bomber group out of Robins last week along with over half the base as support personnel. Lots of locals were called in to do the rush deployment. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhammond 0 #6 March 5, 2003 Paul, who is to decide what excess pressure is... someone who has at their disposal our entire intelligence operations or someone behind a keyboard at their entertainment job... not to diss you but have you considered the fact that maybe crazy Kim is going to process the fuel rods creating Plutonium for a dirty bomb that some terrorist wants to buy.... he will sell anything and hates us, maybe we are deploying for a preemptive strike of the reprocessing plant .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #7 March 5, 2003 just a thought, look at what JFK did during the Cuban missile crisis... stepped up the pressure to relieve the pressure... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #8 March 5, 2003 QuoteSure it's MAD It is definitively not MAD (mutually assured destruction) Kim has the ability to turn my town, San Francisco, into a parking lot, maybe. He absolutely cannot destroy the United States, or even substantially damage it. He can and would kill you and me, Q, and our homes and families, but not this nation. The United States DOES have the ability to completely destroy North Korea. Completely. He's a nut, and we should remove his strategic weapons while we can. He will develop the greatest strategic nuclear capacity he can, and in a decade he might be able to destroy the US west of the Mississippi. We've appeased him quite long enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #9 March 5, 2003 Phree makes a VERY good point...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #10 March 5, 2003 >I say strike now, and I mean right now. If we do that, China might react the same way we'd react if someone nuked, say, Mexico. And that would be bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #11 March 5, 2003 Kim doesn't realistically have the ability to do squat... He is in idiot and his ass is writing checks his body can't cash... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 March 5, 2003 His 4-6 multi megaton nukes say otherwise... at even 2-3 megatons you could say good bye to most of your favorite city and he's not below using non missle means of delevery. He still does have a few submarines that would be capible of launching a medium range missle at any part of the coast he wants to. He does'nt need ICBM's to do that.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #13 March 5, 2003 Won't happen in my lifetime... I'll give him 90 days to live tops.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #14 March 5, 2003 >I'll give him 90 days to live tops.. I bet a lot of people said that about Castro, Hussein, and Bin Laden. Bad guys have a nasty habit of not keeling over when we would like them to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 March 5, 2003 I'm almost certain Kim is going to process the fuel rods, it's the real groovy byproduct of that type of nuke plant.However, I'm thinking diplomacy is the first step and I don't think we've seen an excessive amount of that in this particular case. Not compared to the Iraqi situation at least.Let's put it this way, say your neighbor has a great big ol' dog that barks every night -- what are your options and what do you do first? Do you poison the dog, do you shoot the dog or do you first go over and try to talk with the neighbor? I'm guessing ya don't sit on your roof with a sniper rifle aimed at the dog's head.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #16 March 5, 2003 Quote>I say strike now, and I mean right now. If we do that, China might react the same way we'd react if someone nuked, say, Mexico. And that would be bad. If say Mexico were in the same position as North Korea. It would go down pretty similar to the Cuban missile crisis and that could have gone really bad. It probably would have with a loon like this guy in North Korea. I think the idea of a preemtive strike is a good idea as long its done very thorough. In other words when you are in fight for your life once you knock the guy down you never let him get back up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #17 March 5, 2003 Quote Let's put it this way, say your neighbor has a great big ol' dog that barks every night -- what are your options and what do you do first? Do you poison the dog, do you shoot the dog or do you first go over and try to talk with the neighbor? I'm guessing ya don't sit on your roof with a sniper rifle aimed at the dogs head. TINS - I taped a few hours of barking, then knowing that my neighbor worked the 3rd shift, I played it back on the boom box for him while he and spot were sleeping during the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #18 March 5, 2003 Might keep them on their side of the 38th parallel. NK is a pathetic ,sad ,dreary country, ruled by Stalinists with dangerous weapons. They can not feed or fuel their military, let alone their own population. Not even the Chinese will support them any longer. The sole purpose of this government, like so many dictatorships is to remain in power at all costs. They will push as far as they can. Hopefully they will collapse under the weight of their own desperation, and the rest of the world will have to pick up the pieces...again.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 March 5, 2003 And that was your FIRST move?Ya didn't just try to talk with the guy first?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 March 5, 2003 Quote I'm guessing ya don't sit on your roof with a sniper rifle aimed at the dog's head. Maybe YOU don't... OH, said too much... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #21 March 5, 2003 QuoteAnd that was your FIRST move? Ya didn't just try to talk with the guy first? Nope. Wouldn't even say hi or acknowledge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 March 5, 2003 What JFK did in the Cuban Missle Crisis was to create a blockade so that ships carrying more missle parts as well as supplies for Cuba couldn't get through.I fail to see the similarities.I'll use another analogy.A crazy guy decides to point a gun at one of your family members. You're well armed, but no matter what you do he'll still get at least one shot off and kill at least one member of your family.Do you draw your weapon or do you try to talk to him first?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #23 March 5, 2003 QuoteThis is a stupid move. Yep by the NK's. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 March 5, 2003 Oh, don't get me wrong, I think Kim Chong-il is a total wacko with his finger ready to press the button. Because of that, I think we need to be even more careful to not provoke him.Even a small rat when cornered is extremely dangerous.We need to leave him a way out and a way to save face.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #25 March 5, 2003 QuoteI'll use another analogy. A crazy guy decides to point a gun at one of your family members. You're well armed, but no matter what you do he'll still get at least one shot off and kill at least one member of your family. Do you draw your weapon or do you try to talk to him first? I can't wait to read some of the answers... First of all, if I'm armed and he points a gun at me or my family, he will already have a double-tap to the forehead. If he's drawn before me, I've already lost. Of course, that's a bad analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
