Schroeder 0 #1 March 5, 2003 I'll bet someone is typing the same post at this very moment.... Ok, So, I was perusing the yahoo site, and found this in their headlines! Opinions? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=519&e=1&u=/ap/20030305/ap_on_re_us/mall_activists_6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #2 March 5, 2003 It sounds to me like the mall security has way too much time on their hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #3 March 5, 2003 Ok, whether I support this war or think it should not happen, I have to say that this is bullsh*t. I understand that it's private property, but if they can do that then they could refuse service to, oh, I don't know, certain racial groups maybe? This isn't supposed to happen, me thinks. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 March 5, 2003 Private property is just that. If they didn't want him in there, he should leave and not give them his business anymore. I'd make sure as many people as possible knew about it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #5 March 5, 2003 Yeah... why did they ask him to leave ? Because he had a "peace shirt" on ? That is stupid. Eh.. mall security. What do you really expect ?http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 March 5, 2003 My son was harrassed at a mall a few years ago over something similar (a hat). He was 15. Yes, it's private property. It's also stupid, petty, and childish. I didn't go back to the mall for a long time. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 March 5, 2003 Quote I understand that it's private property, but if they can do that then they could refuse service to, oh, I don't know, certain racial groups maybe? Change your race or leave the mall? That's a little different situation. What if he was wearing a shirt that said F*ck or something similar on it? They have a right to be offended just as much as he has a right to wear the shirt. He doesn't have the right to stay on private property. They did give him a choice, too. It's not like they just came up and kicked him out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #8 March 5, 2003 QuoteI'll bet someone is typing the same post at this very moment.... Ok, So, I was perusing the yahoo site, and found this in their headlines! Opinions? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=519&e=1&u=/ap/20030305/ap_on_re_us/mall_activists_6 There just seems like there should be more to this story. It did say that the shirt was printed by a store IN that mall. I think that's complete bull. The arrest seems straight forward for not leaving when asked to. It also said that 20 other people had walked through the mall with similar t-shirts. Maybe that group had caused a ruckus and the mall security was trying to prevent a repeat of the previous problem. That's only a guess. But I still think there is going to be more to this story. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #9 March 5, 2003 It turned into an incident, but supposedly not because of any "ruckus" on the part of the prostestors.. Details Here Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoobieCootie 0 #10 March 5, 2003 Damn! You guys are good at hunting down info.You're all going to give Google a run for it's money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #11 March 5, 2003 Lame to say the least... I'd be curious if the Security acted on their own or if there was an actual complaint from another shopper? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #12 March 5, 2003 Have these guys ever even heard of the First Amendment? I don't know what the rules are for what is a political protest and what isn't, but I'm sure that peacefully wearing a shirt is not one. Go out of the mall peacefully, write a warning letter asking for an apology, if none received, sue them. This is why you folks have a civil legal system, no? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #13 March 5, 2003 QuoteIt turned into an incident, but supposedly not because of any "ruckus" on the part of the prostestors.. Details Here After reading that account I totally agree that it was a bullshit deal. People walking in small groups not speaking, not handing out unsolicited literature is a good way to protest and the reaction by mall security is completely uncalled for. You know what, I pray for peace too. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #14 March 5, 2003 Quote Damn! You guys are good at hunting down info.You're all going to give Google a run for it's money actually, i live 40 min form that mall and the office was quite a buzz with the news this morning and hinks got sent around. Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #15 March 5, 2003 I think the rights of property owners come first in a case like this. Had this occured on public property by real police then someone would be in a world of First Ammendment doo doo. I hope everyone is praying for peace, but I don't think so.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #16 March 5, 2003 Maybe true but I think I would avoid shopping at that mall ever again after that treatment of peaceful protesting. I don't think you could even call it a protest. A message on a shirt? Come on. I wear a Wax Trax shirt that had groups like Ministry on the label with songs such as "So What" which talked about thrill killing. Do they throw me out of the mall? No. This is rediculous behaviour and people should speak with their money. Spend it elsewhere. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #17 March 5, 2003 I agree with you completely. Thats one of the best ways to exercise First Amendment rights.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 March 5, 2003 Dude...you so don't strike me as being into Ministry. Jesus Built My Hotrod is one of the best songs ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #19 March 6, 2003 QuoteHave these guys ever even heard of the First Amendment? Free speech doesn't exist on private property, never has. The day free speach is a right on 'private property' is the day that private property is no longer private. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #20 March 6, 2003 Jimbo, fine dude...and with all the friendship I have for you: He bought the T-shirt on premisses, spending his private money on his private t-shirt made at their private property. The T-shirt is obviously not offensive. He purchased from them at a place of public trading, yet they refuse him the right to display his non offensive purchase at their place of pulic trading....can you say Supreme Court of the United States? jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #21 March 6, 2003 QuoteHe bought the T-shirt on premisses, spending his private money on his private t-shirt made at their private property. Again, private property. The mall is owned by, presumably, an investment group. If the investment group doesn't want people wearing that tshirt in their establishment then they have every right to have them removed. I'll agree, it's a bit of a hypocrisy allowing the vendor selling the Ts to stay on the premises, but the owners are after all getting a financial benefit from the vendor. It's private property, free speech doesn't apply. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #22 March 6, 2003 Jimbo's right, the Ammendments refer to restrictions on what the Government can do, not on what private citizens/ private org.s can do. I discovered that when I wrote a manual about drug testing in the workplace. In many cases it violates your 4th ammendment rights (right to freedom from unnecessary search) if they have you do it without cause, when you're working for a government organization. But if you're working for a private company, the 4th ammendment doesn't apply. But that doesn't change the fact that that kind of behavior is bullshit just on the principles of common decency. Even if you agree with invading Iraq, how the f&*k can "peace on earth" be offensive? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoobieCootie 0 #23 March 6, 2003 There should be a 28th revoking 16th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #24 March 6, 2003 That is stupid. "Give peace a chance" is not a protest by any stretch. I like how CNN slanted this story.http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/04/iraq.usa.shirt.reut/index.html The headline reads Quote Man arrested for 'peace' T-shirt He wasn't arrested for his T-shirt. He was arrested for refusing to leave private property when the owners told him to. He was asked to leave the property for wearing the 'peace' T-shirt. The one good thing about the whole incident is that the police got to arrest a lawyer.j/k "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
