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Hold on a minute. That's a tautology.
drugs are illegal because they are dangerous
drugs are dangerous because they are illegal
The black market is a rough place. Open, regulated markets are not. Alcohol was once illegal and controlled by violent gangs, now it is legal and controlled by govenments and industries (ie, with a minimum of killing).
What reason can you give that pot, opium, cocaine, heroin, etc would be any different from alcohol?
The US has the best agriculture in the world, we could give any 3rd world drug baron a run for his money when it comes to farming. Pure economics.
The same way that state lotteries have by and large made Numbers rackets a thing of the past...give the customer a better deal and you'll drive the competition out of business. No need to encourage the cycle of violence and put people in jail (and in hospitals and cemetaries), just make them unemployed.
Nathaniel
drugs are illegal because they are dangerous
drugs are dangerous because they are illegal
The black market is a rough place. Open, regulated markets are not. Alcohol was once illegal and controlled by violent gangs, now it is legal and controlled by govenments and industries (ie, with a minimum of killing).
What reason can you give that pot, opium, cocaine, heroin, etc would be any different from alcohol?
The US has the best agriculture in the world, we could give any 3rd world drug baron a run for his money when it comes to farming. Pure economics.
The same way that state lotteries have by and large made Numbers rackets a thing of the past...give the customer a better deal and you'll drive the competition out of business. No need to encourage the cycle of violence and put people in jail (and in hospitals and cemetaries), just make them unemployed.
Nathaniel
My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?
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The girls are forced to do it? Some but not many and it's here legal or not Does the "worlds oldest profession" sound familiar to you? Not that I frequent ho houses or anything 
As to some of the other posts regarding drugs, I don't think you will find any dealers selling dope down at the old school house, EXTREME enhanced penalties for that shit. If someone was peddling dope at the schools my kids attend, I would probably pistol whip them or worse.
Fact of the matter is if drugs were controlled, taxed etc. The crime rate would drop significantly. Maybe the $100 a day habit would drop to $10 a day (or less).
And for the argument that it needs to be illegal to keep it contained, would any of you stick a needle in your arm the day heroin was legalized? Doubt any would (at least here).
The manufactures of narcotics being made now (the legal manufacturers) could make coke or smack along with Lidocaine and morphine. But then, that would bring back the addicts having to rob to pay the pharmicist if the drug companies are involved! 
And last but not least, if you're DWI in WA state, the local police and State police have your number, whether your drunk or loaded on something else.
Mike
wanna keep the $ out of the hands of gangsters & terrorists? Let us grow our own.
Speed Racer
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QuoteDoes the "worlds oldest profession" sound familiar to you?
I'd like to think the world has changed somewhat, so that women need not resort, or be forced into, peddling their bodies on the street. Again, this is a difficult question. I can't say I'm entirely against it on moral principles, as long as it's carefully regulated to keep safe.
QuoteAs to some of the other posts regarding drugs, I don't think you will find any dealers selling dope down at the old school house, EXTREME enhanced penalties for that shit. If someone was peddling dope at the schools my kids attend, I would probably pistol whip them or worse.
So selling dope to school kids isn't a victimless crime? Why not? If the kid is not the victim, as is your assertion, it must be the seller who is the unwitting victim of the drug. To that, I call bullshit. You would kill him precisely cause that shit is addictive and he's selling it to kids.
It immediately follows from what you said that taking dope is not a victimless crime.
QuoteThe manufactures of narcotics being made now (the legal manufacturers) could make coke or smack along with Lidocaine and morphine. But then, that would bring back the addicts having to rob to pay the pharmicist if the drug companies are involved!
So instead of some farmer profiting somewhere, we'll have large corporations and the government profiting.
I want the government to sell crack to my son about as much as I want the government to pimp out my daughter.
-- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo
Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.
MC208B 0
didn't Ghandi get plugged?
"True power comes from the barrel of a gun" Chairman Mao
MC208B 0
Nope.
"There is nothing new under the sun."
Go read the bible and find it
Mike
"There is nothing new under the sun."
Go read the bible and find it
Mike
MC208B 0
Gene? Gene Gene the dancing machine? Hey bro it's the unknown comic here! Where ya been?
On a serious note here, I was referring to CONSENTING ADULTS.
So, if you are a consenting adult and you are not hurting another adult, child, animal etc, then there are indeed victimless crimes, end of story. Mike
On a serious note here, I was referring to CONSENTING ADULTS.
So, if you are a consenting adult and you are not hurting another adult, child, animal etc, then there are indeed victimless crimes, end of story. Mike
Kris 0
QuoteSo, if you are a consenting adult and you are not hurting another adult, child, animal etc, then there are indeed victimless crimes, end of story. Mike
Okay, one, learn how to quote so the rest of us can follow your threads.
Second, illegal drug use is not a victimless crime. Just because you choose to ignore the bloody way the illegal drug regimes handle their business before their drugs get to some dealer doesn't mean that innocent people weren't hurt in the process.
I'm sure the drug cartels really didn't mean to do those awful things... Yeah, right.
U.S. issues first list of international drug kingpin suspects[/url
[url "http://norfolk.fbi.gov/1999/99rel08.htm"]Drug Kingpin Sentenced to Death
Kris
Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™
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i still say hemp can save this planet.
Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why
MC208B 0
Kris, you're just plain stupid but then, you're an Okie. Mike (from Missouri)
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QuoteKris, you're just plain stupid but then, you're an Okie. Mike (from Missouri)
Sheesh. I thought we covered the personal attacks thing in the Incidents forum.
And you were almost acting like a responsible member of society up until this point, Mike. If reverting to juvenile name calling is the best you can do I recommend some time with someone who is qualified to help you with your inter-personal issues.
I see your future on this forum...yup, it's bleak.
Kris
Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™
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And you were almost acting like a responsible member of society up until this point, Mike. If reverting to juvenile name calling is the best you can do I recommend some time with someone who is qualified to help you with your inter-personal issues.
I see your future on this forum...yup, it's bleak.
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You tell 'em bubba!
Kris
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Somewhere between Gandhi, Mao Tze Tung, the Bible, Gene the dancing machine and consenting adults, I got a little scared
But anyhow, I've made my point in this thread. Cheers everyone.
-- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo
Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.
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Somewhere between Gandhi, Mao Tze Tung, the Bible, Gene the dancing machine and consenting adults, I got a little scared.
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I just wanna know...
What are the odds of those references ever making it into the same sentence again??!!
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
QuoteFact of the matter is if drugs were controlled, taxed etc. The crime rate would drop significantly. Maybe the $100 a day habit would drop to $10 a day (or less).
This theory omits the problem that any drug product needs FDA approval, and the developers and manufacturers must comply with fun little things like various parts of CFR Title 21. That will make it very expensive, and you can be certain that your medical plan will not cover such elective medications.
Peter
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QuoteQuoteI'd sorta be curious to see how you claim that hurting yourself IS a crime
Try killing yourself and fail at it, I'm sure they will charge you with a crime.
People need to learn to live with the reality of the way things are. There are laws in this country, some of them are good, some are so-so and some are bad. Basic rule is if you break the law and get caught you will be held responsible. It doesn't matter if you think the law is bad/good/etc, you still have broken a law and were stupid enough to get caught. Some laws do need to be amended or changed but until then what's on the books is the way it is. You don't have to like it, you don't have to obey it but if you break it and get caught, the law will hold you accountable, plain and simple.
The first act of a police state is to criminalize the trivial. Like model rockets (another thread this week).
Americans who believe they live in the free-est country in the world should visit the Netherlands.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteAmericans who believe they live in the free-est country in the world should visit the Netherlands.
yeah, but before people start spreading myth again (not implying you would kallend), pot, marijuana or whatever name you want to give it, is not LEGAL in the Netherlands. The sale for private use is condoned, but illegal. The sale for resale is definitely illegal and so called "coffee-houses" do get busted for that. Not often but it does happen.
For those arguing whether or not it should be legal or not, please keep in mind that there is a third option. Decriminalize it.
Edited to add: In the end, if it is illegal (like it or not) you take the chance of getting caught and paying the consequences.
First off let me start by saying "Im not an alcoholic Im a drunk. Alcoholics goto meetings."
But getting to the point of the alcohol and such yes alcohol is worse than dope so to say. Where as people have killed others over dope and not so much over alcohol but in all reality they are both a controlled substance. One is legal and ones illgeal. Do I personally believe that marijuana should be decriminalized? Yes. But as for people driving down the road drunk mmmm no. As for me pertaining to my post earlier on when my brother was nearly killed by a drunk driver Im totally against it. I have no shame for any stupid fucker that goes to jail for a DUI or anything like that. Now whether this post is relevant or irrelevant to anything that was said in bills post or the others berfore hand so what Ive made my peace.
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-Charles Lindberg
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