ChileRelleno 0 #1 March 9, 2003 A little hearsay and more facts... The police were tipped off by a boogie participant that the use and sale of drugs was present on the DZ, the police responded and found probable cause to hold the vehicle and the jumper, warrant was obtained and the vehicle was searched, seven (7) or more ounces of marijuana (packaged for distribution) and a (very nice) scale were confiscated and supposedly the vehicle impounded, said jumper was arrested for "possession with intent to distribute". Jumper was released on bail that night (his friends had a bail arranged before he was even taken into custody) and was back at the DZ the next next day. Needless to say he is facing possibly severe penalties under law and is very shall we say "concerned for his future". ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 March 9, 2003 Risk you take man. Jumper or not, I don't agree with people supplying drugs.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #3 March 10, 2003 You do the crime, you do the time, man - I'm sure he weighed the risk/vs reward, and is prepared do take his lumps. Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,583 #4 March 10, 2003 I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana. That said, going to a boogie with sales paraphernalia and quantities is dangerous, and this is definitely a do-the-crime situation. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #5 March 10, 2003 That was one of his comments to me " you deal drugs your gonna get caught" and "its a chance you take". This is his first run in with the law and he is rightfully scared. I personally don't condone what he was doing and especially where, but I wished him luck for a slap on the hand, probation ect... ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #6 March 10, 2003 Tell him to work with them to get his supplier. He will definitely only get probation. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #7 March 10, 2003 I never thru my 2 cents in (probably not even worth that much), but here goes ... I've always been a firm believer in to each thier own. As long as they aren't endangering myself or my peers (by jumping high), do what you want to do. I know of a lot of people who do smoke, but I've never known one of them to do it until after sunset. Whatever your views are about legalizing it or not, I don't care ... right now it is illegal, so if you get caught, you knew what the price was. I would never bash law enforment for enforcing the laws! Maybe the law needs to be changed in your opinion, but that doesn't make it legal yet. I remember reading about the fact that oral sex being illegal and such ... well, in the military, according to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), it is actually unlawful to have sex in any position other than the missionary ... I've actualy even seen someone charged with breaking that law!! OSI (Office of Special Investigations [the Air Force's "FBI" of sorts]) was actually surveying them for other reasons, and they just stuck that charge in with the rest of the main stuff. True story ... so ... babbling on ... here's the 3 points: 1. To each their own. Just don't hurt anyone else. 2. No matter what your opinions are about the law, it still is a law. 3. You know it's a law, so if you're prepared to do the crime, be prepared to do the time. Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 March 10, 2003 Yeah...when you are riding with that much weed and a triple beam.....you are kinda asking for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #9 March 11, 2003 How in the hell did i miss all the excitement? ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #10 March 11, 2003 Drugs=victimless crime. Anything people do that does not hurt other people should not be a crime. War on drugs an expensive (both financially and in it's human toll with long prison terms) failure. Of course, that person should remember this is now and dope is illegal now, altho it shouldn't be. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #11 March 11, 2003 QuoteDrugs=victimless crime. Anything people do that does not hurt other people should not be a crime That is the most ludicris thing I've ever heard. Explain how it is a "victimless crime" and how hurting yourself isn't a crime either? Wait a sec, let me put my hip waders on first, i got a feeling it's gonna get deep in here."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #12 March 11, 2003 >and how hurting yourself isn't a crime either? I'd sorta be curious to see how you claim that hurting yourself IS a crime. Is smoking a crime? Drinking a lot? Tattoos? Unprotected sex? Getting circumcised? Hook turning? Where do we have laws that say that, in general, things that hurt you (or can hurt you) are illegal? Anti-drug laws are "promote the general welfare" type laws to try to prevent having a large population of addicts, because that's bad for the country. Hurting yourself isn't bad for the country, as long as 1/2 of the population isn't regularly crippling themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #13 March 11, 2003 QuoteI'd sorta be curious to see how you claim that hurting yourself IS a crime Try killing yourself and fail at it, I'm sure they will charge you with a crime. People need to learn to live with the reality of the way things are. There are laws in this country, some of them are good, some are so-so and some are bad. Basic rule is if you break the law and get caught you will be held responsible. It doesn't matter if you think the law is bad/good/etc, you still have broken a law and were stupid enough to get caught. Some laws do need to be amended or changed but until then what's on the books is the way it is. You don't have to like it, you don't have to obey it but if you break it and get caught, the law will hold you accountable, plain and simple."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #14 March 11, 2003 poor guy.man, i am sorry. that sucks. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #15 March 11, 2003 QuoteDrugs = victimless crime. This is just incorrect and I'm not talking about the drug trade. There are many drugs for which the addiction is greater than the human will to keep it from destroy that individual and the people around them. I personally think that weed should be legal and regulated but that's the only one. QuoteAnything people do that does not hurt other people should not be a crime. I can't find any application for this but I'm not taking long to think about it. Any law that I can think of is in place because it keeps one individual from potentially harming another. Drugs - see above Drunk in public - historal statistics to show that this may lead to harm of others. Speeding down deserted highway - You crash and now 10 cops and 15 fire safety and medical personel can't do more important things than peal your dumb ass out of your tin can. BASE jumping from private property - Eh...people have that right with their property... Sitting in living room with KB and bongo drums - learn to play the guitar. QuoteWar on drugs an expensive failure. I'm willing to pay extra taxes to keep a crackhead from supporting his habit by selling rocks to kids...it's GOING to happen. Quotelong prison terms ...don't get caught. EDIT: I agree with cloudseeker, that sucks. Say Nope to Dope"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #16 March 11, 2003 Sorry Lou, gotta stick to my guns on this one. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, and on and on are indeed victimless crimes. The state or federal government make them a crime. As for drugs in particular, it would be nice to lose about half the people in jail and save that 25 grand a year it takes to lock them up. Many of those people were employed prior to their forced visit to the graybar hotel. Legalized drugs = big hit for organized crime. much lower cost for those involved in that lifestyle as in they won't have to rob people to support their habits. Not to mention the taxes the various gov agencies would reap. And no, I don't use dope Lou. Pretty much part of the platform of the Libertarian party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #17 March 11, 2003 QuoteDrugs=victimless crime. So when this guy goes off on teh road hopped up on dope and kils you or someone you know or better yet smokes a bowl ,goes up jumping and takes you out in freefall cause he wasnt all there then we'll see how victimless it is!!! Like everone else I dont care if peoiple want to do there drugs cause theres not a whole hell of a lot I can do to stop it but if you get caught w/ 1/2 and ounce or 5 lbs dont come crying to me... you play you pay!!! BOOKEM DANO!!! jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #18 March 11, 2003 >So when this guy goes off on teh road hopped up on dope . . . Alcohol is worse than dope in that respect; should alcohol be illegal? Or are the drunk driving laws sufficient? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #19 March 11, 2003 Quoteprostitution, gambling I agree with you on these because this is law trying to enforce morality and I completely disagree with that concept. QuoteLegalized drugs = big hit for organized crime. I'd still rather not have Coke and Heroin sold at 7-11."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #20 March 11, 2003 QuoteAlcohol is worse than dope in that respect; should alcohol be illegal? Or are the drunk driving laws sufficient Yes you are correct in that alcohol is worse but in the same sence I dare you or anyone to call drunk driving a victimless crime and be sincere about it!!! My point is open container in the car BUSTED!! drugs in the car BUSTED... instead of everyone trying to stick up for theses peopl with excuses just face it....THEY FUCKED UP AND GOT CAUGHT!! THEY HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES!!! but thats just my .05 jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #21 March 11, 2003 Quote but thats just my .05 Sir...I'm sorry but the IRS maximum contribution per year is .02. You are three cents over so you must be taxed 120% on the remaining 3 cents. Will you be paying cash or cash? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #22 March 11, 2003 QuoteSorry Lou, gotta stick to my guns on this one. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, and on and on are indeed victimless crimes Not that I would expect everyone here to know or have seen the things I have in my career and the only ones who may be able to relate and know where I am coming from might be the law enforcement people on the BB here. People like to bash the war on drugs but it has had it's effects both good and bad, I have seen it. I have walked through fields of poppy, marijuana and coca on just about every continent and I have seen every aspect of the drug trade from the illiterate farmers growing it to make in a month what we spend on a night on the town to the drug lords who outright buy islands and own parts of the country they live in. One thing that is always consistent no matter what drug you wish to discuss, there is some one being hurt, exploited or killed in getting that drug to this country and into your hands. It is not a victimless crime, it destroys lives in the process and ultimately in the end. If you do not see the ones who are the victims does that mean it is a victimless crime?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #23 March 11, 2003 Quote Sir...I'm sorry but the IRS maximum contribution per year is .02. You are three cents over so you must be taxed 120% on the remaining 3 cents. Will you be paying cash or cash? [homer] DOH!![/homer] Uhh I'll be paying..........[outahere] YOINK [/outahere]jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #24 March 11, 2003 Wow, you people are tough! I really thought most skydivers were the "live and let live" type. That'll teach me to generalize! --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #25 March 11, 2003 Quote I have walked through fields of poppy, marijuana and coca on just about every continent and I have seen every aspect of the drug trade from the illiterate farmers growing it to make in a month what we spend on a night on the town to the drug lords who outright buy islands and own parts of the country they live in. Not disagreeing with you really but if you have been there then you know that the problem is much more on the production end than the consumption. Yeah....many people WANT to party Friday night with the Coke that was produced by a Colombian Farmer or the Smack produced from poppies grown in Myanmar. The bigger problem is what are those farmers going to survive on if they don't grow poppies or coca? Solve that problem and you'll answer 90% of the worlds drug problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
