Do you remember 9/11/01

[cgross 1]

Does anyone remember Septermber 11, 2001???

I DO! I remember sitting in NY’s LGA airport with my girlfriend waiting to board a flight at 8:45AM. I remember hearing there was a delay because of a crash… I then remember the airport turning off all there TV monitors in the terminal, but by chance a gentleman behind me had a portable TV, and we watched, with disbelief..

Next I remember an announcement. In a not so calm voice we were told to evacuate immediately, leave there what we brought, and evacuate. I thought to myself, yeah right, I am going to leave my stuff here. Then I saw Pilots and stewardess very quickly leaving the terminal. Someone yelled, ”They hit the Pentagon!!!”
“What the Fuck is going on”, I questioned. So my girlfriend and I began to walk. It immediately came to mind that my girlfriends brother was in Manhattan at work. Sometime he has meetings downtown, maybe today, maybe not. We called and called, but what we didn’t know was that the Verizon building was right next ground Zero, and all communications were knocked out.

I was in Queens, 2.5 miles from the world trade center. There are unforgettable things from that day, that anyone in the area will never forget. The heat, the smell, all the cabs on the side of the road going no where. I remember asking several taxis for rides. Nearly 60% of cabbies in NY are Muslims, and they were not driving “whitie” anywhere. They were afraid of attacks against them I guess, and I don’t blame them, I know I was pretty angry that day. We walked and walked till finally we found a cab that would drive us to the nearest relative. We ended up on the south end of Queens looking over the water right to Ground Zero. I took pictures of the scene from there. I remember feeling comforted when I looked up and saw 2 fighter jets circling overhead, I had forgot we had those kinds of toys.

We finally got in touch with my girls brother, he was walking out of NYC through a tunnel. A stanger offered him a ride and he took it. When was the last time that happened in NY, that perfect strangers would help you out? We sat at Sarah’s aunt hous for hours, watching tv and eating pizza. All the trains were shut down, and the highways a nightmare.

I remember thinking, nothing will ever be the same… but I knew we would forget. The president gave a speech and said, no matter where, no matter when we are going after terrorist and those that harbor them. I felt good, no, I felt great.

I Found it hard to believe that someone attacked our Capitol, and the retaliation wasn’t immediate. I said, “People are going to die for this. No longer can someone fuck with the US and get away with it”.


Now, in light of all that is going on right now in the world people in this country have forgotten what is important to us. Celebrities are speaking out, and demonstrations are taking place all over the country. To that I say, Why? Do these Celeb’s think they have more info than the president? Do they know more, or is their judgment on the subject better than our government? We are at war with whom ever threatens us credibly! I just want to remind everyone that in a 2 hour period on 9/11/01 3000 Americans died. Not American troops, American civilians.

Some say innocent people will die in Iraq. It is true, they will. But I would rather see
100,000 dead Iraq’s than another 3000 Americans. We gave Sadaam the chance, we even asked the world for help. He had the chance, actually he has had 18 chances over 12 years, and only he could have stopped this aggression. We said declare all by Dec 8, 2002, and the WORLD agreed. But he didn’t do it, and now he must pay.

I know people question the connection between SH and terrorism. That UBL and SH do not like each other. By there is an old saying which reads; “My enemy’s, enemy’s are my friends.”

We are threatened, not by him lobbing a missile at us, but maybe by him sneaking one out of the country. The gentlemen in London with the siren (sp?) are now suspected of coming from Iraq. Sadaam is a smart man, and he has been fooling a lot of people for a while. I for one an not willing to let this go on.

Just my 2 cents.

[LouDiamond 1]

I am glad to see someone remembers all of this with a clear understanding of what has happened and what is currently happening. Good post my friend

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[ramon 0]

Good post, but...
What does Saddam actually have to do with 9/11?

Osama Bin Laden had attacked us before with several building bomb attempts and the US Cole bomb. He was a known threat that had a history of attacking us.

Your patriotism is comendable and Saddam is a snake, but he is not going to be removed because of that or because he is some sort of threat to us.

We ignored him for 12 years and even for 6 months after 9/11 but right now when our strategic oil reserves are lowest he is a threat?

His electron storage ring was destroyed in 91 by us so he cannot enrigch uranium. Biological and chemical weapons are very impractical though ever contry has them (weather must be on your side and they are not all persistant) they are more weapons of terror (as in scare everyone) than of mass destruction. Mass destruction is like Hiroshima not like 100 people killed on a subway (Aun Rikoyo nerve gas attack in Japan).

I have no problem removing him, for shits and grins, but I suspect what you will see is we will seize the oil fields and let the city battle drag out as there is no need to get control of them after we have air superiority of the region.

If that happens it will be evident what is important here (caveat: I have no problem taking his oil).

"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce.

[cgross 1]

I will respond. What does he have to do with 9/11?
- Well, directly i don't think he did it. I do believe $$$ from his government has made its way through the pipeline. He also allows terroist groups support and refuge in his country. And the is "Harboring"

We did not ignor him for 12. We tried to contain him with the UN until '98' when the UN was kicked out. The only reason we did not kill him in '91' was because the UN resolution at the time would not allow it.

I don't think there are any Nukes either, but do not downplay bio or chem weapons. Look what happened with the anthrax. It didn't kill many, but it really screwed our system up. Here's a thought... Get those perfume sample glass bottles, fill them with some nasty stuff, and mail those. Alot more deadly, and easy to do. If he is making this stuff with the intent to distribute, then there in lies the problem.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"What does Saddam actually have to do with 9/11?"

That is a point a lot of people would do well to remember in the coming days Ramon old friend.

Of course I remember september 11, what civilised person could possibly forget the images and emotions from that day.

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[narcimund 0]

On Sept 11, 2001 we were hurt. So now we're going to hurt someone else. Anyone else. Real bad. That'll make it feel better.

And if we don't feel better after that, we'll go hurt some other people until it does.

Then we'll never hurt again.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[WFFC 1]

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Does anyone remember Septermber 11, 2001???

The other half of the company I work for was in 2 World Trade. Because news reports were sketchy, I had called my counterpart in NY to see if she knew what was going on. I have a TV hanging above my desk and was watching the live news feed and relaying what I was seeing. The rest of the conversation went like this:
Me "Oh shit!"
NY "What?"
2nd plane crashing in to 2 World Trade is shown on TV.
Me "I think you need to go."
NY "I think I need to go too."
Me "Be safe and call when you are."
NY "OK"

3 hours later, I received calls from people I knew in NY, all of them safe. It took 3 days to track all of our NY office people down, but everyone was physically OK...
Even with everything that happened, the I.T. group pulled together and we were able to function as a company again in about 12 hours.
Some people have left, others have stayed. the NY group has a much closer attachment to eachother now and things that they grabbed off their desks, like palms or pages, before heading out of the tower. They get emotionally upset when the device quits working and a new one is recommended.

[cgross 1]

I think you are being a bit vague. This is what bothers me, is the inability of people to "Connect the Dots" and also the belief that they can see the Whole Picture.

I am not trying to say you bother me narc, but really, do you think it is that simple. We are just going around hurting people for shits and giggles?

It is not like this is a new issue, and I don't want to get political about it, but Clinton was handling through the UN, and the Iraq wanted them out. For a couple years we were trying to figure out what to do, and then 9/11 happened. We went after Al Quada(sp) first, because they directly attacked us. Now, we are going after other terrorists and harborers of terrorist. We have gotten far enough away from 2001 now and everyone seems to forget our cause. That is the american way though.

Look at Memorial day.. it is supposed to be to remember those lost, instead it is an excuse to drink. We have all forgetten...

Oh well, it was to be expected.

[narcimund 0]

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I am not trying to say you bother me narc, but really, do you think it is that simple. We are just going around hurting people for shits and giggles?

Apparently I did bother you.

I believe the lemmings who support this deadly outburst are lashing out with infantile emotional passion in hopes that their own monomaniacal self-absorbed pain will somehow be drowned out by the deafening screams of randomly chosen strangers. Americans have worked themselves up into a frenzy and they'll follow any charismatic bully who promises them the chance to do viciously unto others. It's the little schoolboy who's beaten up in the playground then pulls tails off stray cats. Americans never grow past that phase.

However, I don't believe this is the motive of the politicians and power brokers who are egging the public on. Their motives are pure power, pure and simple. Power over your everyday movements and thoughts, power over your financial transactions, travel, social relations, career, and faith. It's a straight and narrow path to tyrany.

Permanent war is permanent power. An iraq war right before the 2004 elections buys them 4 more uninterrupted years. Another, larger attack in the U.S. right before the 2008 election will abolish the constitution entirely.

"You asked for it, brother" -- John Galt

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 3,095]

Have you fallen prey to the "Hussein was behind 9/11" brainwashing too?

I came within 20 minutes of being on AA flight 11 out of Boston that morning. My brother in law, by luck, was in California that weekend and not in one of the Salomon Smith Barney offices in the WTC. So yes, I remember 9/11. I also remember the people who did it were Bin Laden and his lieutenants. We are, one by one, getting them. If we are not distracted we will eventually get Bin Laden.

I hope we can remember that as we gear up for a war against a man that had nothing to do with 9/11.

BTW thanks for support of a point in my previous post, that the "Hussein is behind 9/11!" diversion tactic is actually working with some americans.

>“My enemy’s, enemy’s are my friends.”

Bin Laden has expressed his hatred towards Hussein. Which one of those people is our friend?

>We are threatened, not by him lobbing a missile at us, but maybe by
>him sneaking one out of the country.

That's indeed a threat. So why are we attacking a man who has neither ICBM's nor atomic weapons and ignoring a madman who has both?

>It is true, they will. But I would rather see
>100,000 dead Iraq’s than another 3000 Americans.

Every single analysis I've seen supports the idea that the Iraq war will increase terrorism, as we 'prove' to the Arab world that even the UN can't stop our attacks on Arab countries. So would you prefer 100,000 dead Iraqis AND another 3000 dead Americans? Seems like a bad choice to me.

[cgross 1]

At the risk of insulting you (which is not my intention) you sound just a wee bit paranoid. So you see this as the Fall of the American empire? I have heard of consiracy theory, but you take it to the next level.

[narcimund 0]

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So you see this as the Fall of the American empire?

Quite the opposite, brother. Quite the opposite.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[cgross 1]

Bill, I am saying SH is our enemy, and UBL is our enemy. SH I think would gladly give what he could to UBL indirectly if it meant hurting americans.

On your second point about N. Korea.
-it is a different situation, because we think he DOES have a nuke. If we piss him off, we are afraid he may sent that to S Korea or Chine, or Japan, or here.

The difference with N Korea is this; Their leader is long known for a great deal of talk, but not much action. When he whines enough, or threatens enough the world gives him what he wants. In 94 clinton almost went to war with N korea, but opted for a treaty instead. As you can see that has gotten us no where. Now that the attention is off NK, they have began to act up again. If we give in and give him what he wants, he will act up again further down the line and ask for more. I truthfully think they need to learn that we will not negotiate with them. It is very much like the cold war with NK.

I think we will be playing the same games with NK that we did with the USSR before its colapes. You know as well as I we won't invade NK if we KNOW they have nukes. With Iraq, I don't think they have Nukes, but imagine for a minutes if they did and we knew it. Do you think we would invade then? I don't, because SH is stupid enough to detonate one in his own country.

I am not brainwashed on the administrations belief that SH was involved in 9/11. I don't think they made a credible case. I do however think there is indirect involvement with $$$ and support of terorism.

I think Saudi Arabia should be next, because they not only support terrorism, they create it.

[Jimbo 0]

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I believe the lemmings who support this deadly outburst are lashing out with infantile emotional passion in hopes that their own monomaniacal self-absorbed pain will somehow be drowned out by the deafening screams of randomly chosen strangers.

Anyone who supports the President in his war against Iraq is a lemming?

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Americans have worked themselves up into a frenzy and they'll follow any charismatic bully who promises them the chance to do viciously unto others.

By being different or in the minority you're somehow better?

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It's the little schoolboy who's beaten up in the playground then pulls tails off stray cats. Americans never grow past that phase.

This statement just doesn't make sense. You're American, aren't you? Yet you seem to not fit into the mold you just described.

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However, I don't believe this is the motive of the politicians and power brokers who are egging the public on. Their motives are pure power, pure and simple. Power over your everyday movements and thoughts, power over your financial transactions, travel, social relations, career, and faith. It's a straight and narrow path to tyrany.

The US bid for power is no different than that of any other country or organization. You think that UN has a different agenda?

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[cgross 1]

so you think we will successfully wipe out the rest of the world and take over.

[VectorBoy 0]

I am not brainwashed on the administrations belief that SH was involved in 9/11. I don't think they made a credible case. I do however think there is indirect involvement with $$$ and support of terorism.

I think Saudi Arabia should be next, because they not only support terrorism, they create it.

[bodypilot90 0]

no but we should not be pushed around by thrid world want to be's. SH is a danger to everyone. He has been given a mandate, he ignored it. And now he's is going to be exiled if not killed. The world will be a better place w/o him.

Containment dosn't work we have seen that with NK. The time to act is now!

[Tasadin 0]

What I think may have got lost in the ether here is that 1441 clearly stated that Saddam was to declare all weapons of mass destruction, provide full and complete evidence of all his WMD programs, and declare any banned weapon systems and he was to do so before xmas, any non declaration was to be considered material breach of the resolution and could therefore open the door to making him disarm.

Now whilst I admit they are small finds, in accordance with 1441 which ALL countries agreed on including the present non war ones ie Russia, Germany, Frogs etc, the Al Samud missiles, the 13 chemical shells, the nulcear paperwork at the scientisits homes, the documentary evidence of Iray tryint to obtain stainless tubing from Italy for nuclear refining are all material breaches of the original resolution however you look at it.

Now they may not be a "smoking gun" but they are a breach of that resolution and quite frankly I think that UN credibility is going down the plug hole fast. There is no point making a resoltuion that everyone signs stating that one thing has to be done if every time Saddam bends or breaks the rules slightly we say oh its ok its not serious enough. Either he is or is not in material breach of the resolution, there are no half measures.The resolution is the preverbial line in the sand and the UN to maintain any credibility at all cannot keep re-drawing the line every time the boundries are pushed, or where do we draw the final line - once we go to war and he uses CBN weapons against our troops or another country or once he sells VX/Anthrax to a terrorist group who then fly a crop dusting plane over an American city. There may be no links to Al Quaieda (sp?) but that doesn't discount the fact that he is an unstable character who does things on whim and will actually do almost anything for money to increase his arsenal.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."

[cgross 1]

If we take Iraq, make them an ally, then we will have a nice foothold to watch the goings on in the middle east. The oil we get will pay us back for the war of liberation. Once we have been payed back financially, then all the oil belongs to the "New Iraq".

With that, we can start taking a long look at the Saudi's....

Vote Chris for Pres in 2008!!!

[Iflyme 0]

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I just want to remind everyone that in a 2 hour period on 9/11/01 3000 Americans died. Not American troops, American civilians.

People from many countries died in the terrorist attacks that day -- not just Americans. Terrorism is a terrible thing, but it's not new. Many people died in Oklahoma at the hands of a terrorist. The IRA, Basque separatists, Death squads from Central and South American nations come to mind... far to many people around the world have died when prople/groups use violence to resolve their issues ... much like what may happen in Iraq soon ...

[cgross 1]

Very well said, and I think the world has coveniently forgotten that. The USA is the only one enforing the UN policy... What is the UN good for?

[cgross 1]

Comparing 9/11 to what we will do in Iraq makes you .... That would be a personal attack, so I will refrain!

Are you from the US? Seriously, I haven't seen your profile.

[cgross 1]

OK you are not from the US... I take back what I said. Maybe if you were here, you would understand. I don't blame you for being sheltered from the realities that happened here. I blame your liberal government.

[narcimund 0]

I apologize on behalf of my neighbors.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[VectorBoy 0]

Have you fallen prey to the "Hussein was behind 9/11" brainwashing too?

I hope we can remember that as we gear up for a war against a man that had nothing to do with 9/11.

BTW thanks for support of a point in my previous post, that the "Hussein is behind 9/11!" diversion tactic is actually working with some americans.
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Bill, Brainwashing, diversion? Now who is deluded?
We are going into bagdad as a result of the 18 resolutions of disarmament that this dictator has snubbed his nose at since the end of the gulf war in 91. He has still not complied. This is unfinished business, the tempo is sped up as a result of 9-11 thats all.
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I came within 20 minutes of being on AA flight 11 out of Boston that morning.
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How are you going to feel the next time your at or in the next soft target(s) of mass destruction maybe with your loved ones? You believe it can't happen again to you?
We complain that all of our civil rights are being suspended without reason. But yet so many people don't want to make a stand.
Hussien may or may not be directly connected to 9-11,,,,,, But he is prick deep in terrorism. He already used chemical weapons against Iran, tried to genocide the kurds. Invaded kuwait. Ask any female kuwait national what kind of a party that was. This is not the US invading little peaceful barbados or sri lanka. He has been pulling the worlds chain for a decade after getting a "get out jail free" card.
No one is asking you to fight we have a professional military they WILL take care of business and then come home.
I for one am tired of seeing buildings vaporized, its bad for business BILL and your civil rights! Glen