rhino 0 #151 March 10, 2003 You will see the evidence after Sadham is gone.. I am very confident in that.. Everyone will go THANK GOD Bush had the balls to do this anyways!!! Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #152 March 10, 2003 QuoteO.K. But it's a little late tonight...maybe in the morning before I go jumping... Sorry, Bill, but it's not gonna happen this morning. I overslept, and have to get out the door to go play in the sky today! Maybe when I come home... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boudy 0 #153 March 10, 2003 Protecting intelligence sources has nothing to do with it. I'm talking specifically about getting infromation from the #3 guy in Al qaeda, the mastermind of Sept 11, the head operative planner of the whole frickin gang, who we captured over 1 week ago, not some snitch or CIA informant hanging out in Bagdad. The guy was the brain center of the terrorist organization. He would know what support Iraq provided al qaeda. He doesn't need protecting and neither do any of the terrorists or Iraqi officials he'd implicate. It's unthinkable that the administration would not, at the very least, state that Mohammed had implicated Saddam if he indeed had given them anything to that effect. An al qaeda link would unite the country for war even if they just told us he had confessed - details later. But they apparently didn't get anything out of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #154 March 10, 2003 I have no doubt we will see all sorts of things after the place has been trashed and the bad guys thrashed. But if you want support before you go in, you'll need to come up with something better. Otherwise, many in the world, myself included, will view this action as illegal. Plain and simple. I'll tell you what, pm me your evidence and I'll shut up about the whole damn thing. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #155 March 10, 2003 Heya, Boudy... Quotethe head operative planner of the whole frickin gang, who we captured over 1 week ago, not some snitch or CIA informant hanging out in Bagdad. You really think he was that powerful and connected to the top? Honestly? Or do you think he was some little 2-bit player, who got caught and lots of hoorah was done about it? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #156 March 10, 2003 Quote Protecting intelligence sources has nothing to do with it. I'm talking specifically about getting infromation from the #3 guy in Al qaeda, the mastermind of Sept 11, the head operative planner of the whole frickin gang, who we captured over 1 week ago, not some snitch or CIA informant hanging out in Bagdad. Protecting intelligence has EVERYTHING to do with it. How in the hell do you think the mastermind was caught? Dumb luck? INTELLIGENCE!!!! Quote It's unthinkable that the administration would not, at the very least, state that Mohammed had implicated Saddam if he indeed had given them anything to that effect. It is very thinkable... If the administration said that every Tom Dick and Harry would be screaming show me proof!! LOL Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #157 March 10, 2003 QuoteBut if you want support before you go in, you'll need to come up with something better. Otherwise, many in the world, myself included, will view this action as illegal. You may be right... After all is said and done hopefully amazing evidence is produced. Hopefully enough that when the U.S. and Britain say something needs to be done, no one questions our intelligence.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,566 #158 March 10, 2003 QuoteIf the administration said that every Tom Dick and Harry would be screaming show me proof!! LOL I don't think the United Nations Security Council really counts as "every Tom Dick and Harry" unless you don't give a shit about what the rest of the world thinks. And I think the basic disagreement is over whether the US should care about the rest of the world, other than as an extension of itself and its needs. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #159 March 10, 2003 I think the US has done more than enough to prove that we care... It is up to them to display the basic intelligence to understand what it is we are saying.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #160 March 10, 2003 QuoteI think the US has done more than enough to prove that we care... All we've done so far is show we care about our own interests. If we were really out to show our humanitarian nature and how much we care about poor, starving and opressed people, Iraqi or otherwise, we would have been helping in Africa, giving aid to North Korea, etc. But they don't have the oil we seem to want, so we don't seem to care. We have a little interest in North Korea because they have weapons, but nobody gives a shit about Africa at all. Let's just call it like it is, and avoid the "poor Iraqi people" propaganda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #161 March 10, 2003 Quote You will see the evidence after Sadham is gone.. I am very confident in that.. Everyone will go THANK GOD Bush had the balls to do this anyways!!! Rhino You are altogether too trusting of politicians, probably because, as you admitted, you don't bother to study history. Politicians rely on people like that. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #162 March 10, 2003 QuoteAll we've done so far is show we care about our own interests. If we were really out to show our humanitarian nature and how much we care about poor, starving and opressed people, Iraqi or otherwise, we would have been helping in Africa, giving aid to North Korea, etc. But they don't have the oil we seem to want, so we don't seem to care. We have a little interest in North Korea because they have weapons, but nobody gives a shit about Africa at all. Who else is going to look out for our interests? Your point is? We would have been helping in Africa? Research the numbers.. You will find out that we give more humanitarian aid than any other country. Especially to Africa. 10BILLION dollars in AIDS money alone was just granted to Africa. We have an interest in North Korea. They will be taken care of soon enough.. Hopefully policed by people that are threatened by them in their own backyard. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #163 March 10, 2003 Sadly, that is an apt quote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #164 March 10, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will see the evidence after Sadham is gone.. I am very confident in that.. Everyone will go THANK GOD Bush had the balls to do this anyways!!! Rhino -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are altogether too trusting of politicians, probably because, as you admitted, you don't bother to study history. Politicians rely on people like that. I pray to God I am right. . And that after this evidence will be shown. That the Iraqi people will be taken care of. That we do this the right way. I pray to God.. If we hit and run on this one we are truly screwed for eternity.. I think the administration knows this. I believe and hope they will make us and the world proud and start to put some of these fires out.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #165 March 10, 2003 QuoteWho else is going to look out for our interests? Your point is? We are going to look out for our own interests. Let's just be honest about it and drop the charade of protecting the Iraqi people and such. Was the president on TV all the time drumming up world support for Africa? Was he talking about comitting our full resources to helping the starving people? Nope. 10 billion is chump change to what we could do if we cared? Do you think that will be one tenth of what we will spend on this war? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't put that much money into Africa, but want it to be perfectly clear that the current Iraqi action is in our self-interest, and not some goodwill gesture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #166 March 10, 2003 "I pray to God I am right. ." The Pope, God's right hand man in temporal matters says you are wrong.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #167 March 10, 2003 The Pope... I love the Pope... If the Pope says stop.. We should pull out.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #168 March 10, 2003 "If the Pope says stop.. " Thats what he told Tony Blair, the Archbishop of Canterbury told him the same thing. I'm guessing the Dalai Lama has the same opinion, but I think the Chinese have him... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #169 March 10, 2003 Here is a good example of my reason: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3821-454156,00.html Read the whole thing.http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #170 March 10, 2003 Don't fuck with the Pope.. Let's pull our boys out.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #171 March 10, 2003 Nononono...don't pull your, or our boys out, their presence is progressing the disarmament process just nicely now there is a real threat to the regime. Keep them poised ready to 'whoop ass' if the nutter steps any further out of line, meanwhile gather some evidence and take it to the UN security council. With the world against them, the Iraqis will surrender in their droves and the good guys don't get hurt. All our friends and loved ones come home intact, that has to better than a pre-emptive strike, even a massively debilitating one.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #172 March 10, 2003 Nope.. The Pope said pull em out.. So pull em out.. lol We can't leave our boys there too long.. They need to see their families too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boudy 0 #173 March 10, 2003 Well Michele, for some time now our government and other governments have identified him as the top operations guy of al qaeda. I've heard it on Ari Fleisher's news briefing and read in it the news. The president was apparently elated with his capture. News reports last week stated that information from him has led to an intensified search for OBL. And so far as getting info concerning future attacks, he was supposedly THE guy to get. He gave an interview with the Arab news service, Al Jassera(sp) last year wherein he admited he planned Sept 11 - All the above information I received from the Government and the press. I don't have grounds to doubt it. IS there information out there indicating that this is not true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #174 March 10, 2003 Quote You will see the evidence after Sadham is gone.. I am very confident in that.. Everyone will go THANK GOD Bush had the balls to do this anyways!!! Rhino Yup. Those who win the war write history. What do you think the odds are of us hearing "Well, we screwed up I guess. We killed a few thousand people, lost a few thousand of our own... and...uhh... yeah, there's nothing really here." - even if it were true? So I'd bet my right nut that we see evidence, just might not be real evidence.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #175 March 10, 2003 "The Pope said pull em out" The Pope didn't say pull them out, he said don't send them in. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
