Where do you stand?

[Slappie 9]

I was emailed this. I think it fits these times. I'm a red blooded American. I believe in the U.S.A. and support my goverment 100% I may not agree with some / most of the desicions they make for me. I still stand behind this country 100% I've lived and been in alot of different places. Yes some are lovely and would love to go back. With all our problem here on our shores this place is still the best damn country in the whole fucking world!

You may not agree with what I'm saying or what I have pasted. I don't give a rats ass. I'm tired of listening and reading about you bleeding hearts and how this "war" is going to destroy the world. Think about it you pansies! WAKE UP! This is not just about oil, saddam, money, property.. It's about America and the fact we are at war with the terrorist PERIOD! Saddam is just one in a line that will fall! Since 9/11 our President be he good or bad is still our President. He declared war on the people who took it upon themselves to come to this country and inflict pain and suffering on us. We never once provoked this. They did this one their own. Now the people who are supporting this "al Qaeda" whatever you want to call it. Need to pay the price.

OK -- Let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.

Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear
weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we've done for world peace.

Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the
National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.

Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.

I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.

After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.

Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning.

Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?

Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.

You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here.

Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.

Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.

Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.

You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I've ever had the displeasure to hear about.

Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little,
"fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war.

You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby.

Freedom of choice you say?

Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own.

If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.

You scoff at our military whose boots you're not even worthy to shine.

They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in
luxury.

The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.

America is in imminent danger.

You're either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.

I think we all know where you stand.

What do you think?

God Bless America!



Charlie Daniels
(Copyright) 2003 Charlie Daniels

Well said Charlie, thank you.

Flame me all you want.. I couldn't give a ratz ass.. I'm fed up..

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[Slappie 9]

I really didn't think I would get anyones attention.. hmph about what I thought..

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[billvon 3,110]

>WAKE UP! This is not just about oil, saddam, money, property.. It's
> about America and the fact we are at war with the terrorist PERIOD!
> Saddam is just one in a line that will fall! Since 9/11 our President
> be he good or bad is still our President. He declared war on the
> people who took it upon themselves to come to this country and
> inflict pain and suffering on us. We never once provoked this. They
> did this one their own. Now the people who are supporting this "a
>l Qaeda" whatever you want to call it. Need to pay the price.

Iraq has no connections to Al Quaeda. The administration has been trying for _years_ to find one, and have been unable to. You can argue that they must disarm under UN resolution 1441 or face the consequences, but an argument that says we must fight the 9/11 terrorists by attacking Iraq makes no sense at all; Pat Robertson has more connections to Al Quaeda than Hussein does. Wake up to the reality of the situation and see beyond the hype - only then can you make a reasoned case for war.

[jfields 0]

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Flame me all you want.. I couldn't give a ratz ass.. I'm fed up..

Not to flame you, Slappie, but I'm fed up too, in the other direction.

I'm annoyed at all the "patriots" that come out of the woodwork when it becomes fashionable to wave a flag and say they support America. Where were they when the recruiter called *before* 9/11? I dislike the tone we see where anyone questioning the actions our country takes or trying to look at it with an intelligent analytical approach is instantly deemed a traitor. When did blind subservience to propaganda replace carefully considered action as the American definition of civil responsibility?

[PhillyKev 0]

Your article is interesting and makes a strong argument against some fictitious reality. I'm not in favor of going to war, I know a lot of people who aren't, but I've never heard any of them say anything even close to resembling the statements that are being argued against in your post.

Who ever Charlie Daniels is spouting off a bunch of nonsensical crap that doesn't address a single argument that anyone has made against going to war.

Good post though

[TomAiello 26]

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Who ever Charlie Daniels is

What?! Sacrilege! He's _Charlie Daniels_.
You can't be serious. Please.
Maybe the Devil Needs to Go Up to Philly.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[rhino 0]

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Iraq has no connections to Al Quaeda.

That is an assumption.. Iraq does have connections to other Al Queda like organizations. That is enough. Iraq has acted in point like an Al Queda like organization.

Rhino

[Slappie 9]

Justin the US has sat back and waiting for Saddam to disarm for 12 years.. They have done nothing in those 12yrs except hide the weapons, the nerve agents, the antrax.. They have no proof they ever got rid of it.

They (iraq) have not complied with UN resolutions. Never planned on it. Now it's time to enforce some rules.

Bill,

Ok maybe I'm a little off base with what I said about Saddam and Al Qaeda.. Saddam does have ties to terrorism. You cannot tell me he doesn't. He may not have directly been involved in 9/11 personaly. I'm sure somewhere somehow either his staff or someone was involved in something. And for that he needs to pay.

I'm just fed up.. Tired of this crap.. Either shit or get the hell off the pot..

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[rhino 0]

10 days and counting... Uncle Sam is coming....

Tic.. Toc.. Tic.. Toc....... About damned time....

[PhillyKev 0]

Oh...that Charlie Daniels. You mean the singer. So we're quoting a singer bitching about actors making political statements. Now I get it. He's not only an idiot, he's a hypocrite.

[rgoper 0]

it's funny what one will say in a forum. it reminds me of IronMike's parting words to HH here on dz.com. i do have a son in the military, and i do work in the middle east, am i a traitor? and before you answer that question, give it some thought. i may want you to repeat it to me mano de mano. you have no clue what goes on in world events, by the way, the invitation to come to saudi is extended to you now as well. i'm not against the US doing what's right, but attacking iraq without the proper channels being followed will cause tremendous needless amounts of bloodshed on american soil. try to get focused, and see the big picture, you've got tunnel vision. by the way, imo your certainly free to express your opinions, but your post is a personal attack, although veiled, an attack none the less, no need for namecalling.

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bleeding hearts

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Think about it you pansies!

by the way, most of the "pansies" are safe in the US right now, with no immediate danger to themselves or their family. then there are those in the US with family overseas or in the military who are definitely concerned, with good reason. talk all that stuff you want, you wouldn't be thinking that way if it was your ass on the line, oh and like Charlie Daniel's has a lot to worry about, what are they going to do, draft him? the easy part for him is over, which is the talking, enough of that. if you really don't like something, try to change it in a positive way.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[TomAiello 26]

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Oh...that Charlie Daniels...He's not only an idiot...

Dude. Why you gotta diss the Uneasy Rider like that?
"...who owns this car with the mag wheels, the peace sign..."

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[rhino 0]

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by the way, most of the "pansies" are safe in the US right now, with no immediate danger to themselves or their family.

3,000 innocent people dying in a couple of big office buildings a year and some change ago beg to differ...

And I agree.. The bleeding hearts "Most of which have never served a day in their life for their country" and the pansies "that were screaming GO BUSH a year ago" need to wake the hell up..

Rhino

[billvon 3,110]

>Iraq does have connections to other Al Queda like organizations.

So do we. So does the UK. Pat Robertson has closer ties to Al Quaeda than Iraq. If that's really your argument for war, it's incredibly weak.

[Slappie 9]

It was posted as a genralisation. I'm fed up with bleeding hearts crying about this and that. We've done everything we can possibly do diplomaticly. It's done. Time for some action. I believe if Afganistan didn't rumble some people this surely will.

If your going to play, you must be able to pay when the bill comes do. Saddam and Iraq has been playing for 12 odd years. His check is due.

I have a feeling his aligator mouth has overloaded his humming bird ass. He has nooooooo idea what is fixing to come done his chimeny..

He sits in his palaces giving interviews to newsmen, actors and whomever he thinks will keep the US and the UN off his door step. He thinks he's untouchable. He's been playing a shell game and got caught. The UN has tried to be his diaper and cover his shit. Well.. I say Enough if Enough.. Pay up suka!

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[jfields 0]

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Justin the US has sat back and waiting for Saddam to disarm for 12 years.. They have done nothing in those 12yrs except hide the weapons, the nerve agents, the antrax.. They have no proof they ever got rid of it.

They (iraq) have not complied with UN resolutions. Never planned on it. Now it's time to enforce some rules.

Slappie,

If it so important, let's take a look at what WE have done in the last 12 years. Were we as a nation concerned with how carefully he followed the UN resolutions? Did the average American even know about the UN resolutions? Basically, people didn't care. Where was the flag-waving before 9/11? Did you see people marching and campaigning to push Saddam out of power?

I'm not saying Hussein is a good guy. But I question why the US cares so damned much all of a sudden. What about that other guy that barely makes the news anymore? What was his name... Oh yeah, Bin Laden. We have *proof* he was behind it, but he is still at large, and we prepare to go fight a different country.

The bravado and "kick some butt, enforce the resolutions" talk from so many people that have never served their country and don't honestly even understand the issues goes to prove that the advertisers are right. As a collective body, the American people are a body of morons that want to be told what to think. That annoys me, but it is hard to argue with the validity of it.

[rhino 0]

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So do we. So does the UK. Pat Robertson has closer ties to Al Quaeda than Iraq. If that's really your argument for war, it's incredibly weak.

If and when we had those connections it was a different day and age. IN THE PRESENT is where we are living and acting.. Not 20 years ago when it was a free for all.

IN THE PRESENT bla, bla, bla, bla and ten pages of crap in the last 20 years that Sadham has done and violated and this and that.. So on and so forth.. You know the story...

[rhino 0]

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Pay up suka!

Yeagh!! Pay up Byiatch!!!

[TomAiello 26]

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>Iraq does have connections to other Al Queda like organizations.
So do we. So does the UK. Pat Robertson has closer ties to Al Quaeda than Iraq. If that's really your argument for war, it's incredibly weak.

Bill, don't you think you might be guilty of intentional failure to translate, here? Rhino is speaking Rhino-ese, and you are speaking Billvon. In his defense, the majority of Americans speak something a heck of a lot closer to Rhino-ese.
In my best approximation of Billvon-ese, his statement comes out as:
Iraq can be affirmatively demonstrated to have strong links to a variety of terrorist organizations. Iraq's support for these organizations includes funding, refuge, and provision of armaments (one particularly egregious Iraqi offense is the offer of a "reward" for the families of suicide bombers). This specific argument for war (that Iraq is a sponsor of terrorism) is valid, regardless of Iraq's real or imagined support for any particular terrorist organization (such as Al-Quaeda).
Just because you have a sky-high IQ, excellent language skills, and articulate presentation, does not mean that everyone does. Even less does it mean that everyone who possesses these qualities necessarily agrees with you.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[rhino 0]

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Oh yeah, Bin Laden. We have *proof* he was behind it, but he is still at large, and we prepare to go fight a different country.

We have been hunting him and his organization steadily since 9/11.. As a matter of fact both of his sons were just nabbed a day ago.. His top fag boy was arrested to.. The day of judgement is coming for those fuckers. They stuck their paws in a beehive and pissed off the biggest damned swarm that ever existed..

Rhino

[billvon 3,110]

>If and when we had those connections it was a different day and age.
> IN THE PRESENT is where we are living and acting.. Not 20 years ago
> when it was a free for all.

No, not 20 years ago. We are supporting Kurdish terrorists right now because they may try to kill Hussein for us. Pat Robertson supported Charles Taylor, an evil dictator who harbored Al Quaeda operatives before, during and after 9/11 - and by my calendar that was more like 1.5 years ago, not 20.

>IN THE PRESENT . . .

We are supporting terrorism. Right now. We call them freedom fighters or whatever.

[sinker 0]

HE'S a hypocrite because he's calling the bed-wetting liberals in the industry what they really are??? Jeez dude, take a logic class or something. They are all making political statements, he is saying that those hollywood a**holes are WRONG. And they are. Where was theif f***ing protest when their old buddy Bill Clinton lobed a bunch of cruise missles at Saddam in October 1998 after Saddam AGAIN thumbed his nose up at us and the UN? No protests then were there... nope. THEY are the hypocrites, not Charlie Daniels.

And Saddam isn't up in it w/ Al Quada or any other terrorist organization?? What about that terrorist operative dude that was wounded in Afghanistan and sought --and received-- shelter in Baghdad?? I can't believe that someone can say w/ a straight face that Pat Robertson has more in common w/ Al Quada than Saddam. You've hit the crack pipe WAY too much...

But whatever y'all think, for right or wrong, it's comin'. Whether we like it or not, it's comin. Rhino is right... tick tock tick tock...

And that little ##### in Iraq deserves it too..

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[rhino 0]

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>Iraq does have connections to other Al Queda like organizations.

So do we. So does the UK. Pat Robertson has closer ties to Al Quaeda than Iraq. If that's really your argument for war, it's incredibly weak.

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Bill, don't you think you might be guilty of intentional failure to translate, here? Rhino is speaking Rhino-ese, and you are speaking Billvon. In his defense, the majority of Americans speak something a heck of a lot closer to Rhino-ese.

In my best approximation of Billvon-ese, his statement comes out as:

Iraq can be affirmatively demonstrated to have strong links to a variety of terrorist organizations. Iraq's support for these organizations includes funding, refuge, and provision of armaments (one particularly egregious Iraqi offense is the offer of a "reward" for the families of suicide bombers). The argument for war (that Iraq is a sponsor of terrorism) is valid, regardless of Iraq's real or imagined support for any particular terrorist organization (such as Al-Quaeda).

Just because you have a sky-high IQ, excellent language skills, and articulate presentation, does not mean that everyone does. Even less does it mean that everyone who possesses these qualities necessarily agrees with you.

Umm... What he said.. Rhino-ese.. I like that...

Rhino

[PhillyKev 0]

Personally I think the so called "bed-wetting liberals in the industry" and the war-mongering fascists in the industry are all whacko and are only making their completely extremists statements to one side or the other for publicity and to advance their own notoriety. I could care less what Barbara Streisand or Charlie Daniels have to say. They're both irrelevant.

[jraf 0]

OK...there is one more thing you need to do. I'll teach you, I'm good at it:

1. Stand in attention
2. Raise your right hand
3. Extend your palm
4. Shout loudly: HEIL HITLER!!!!

See, there you go, is it not better this way? Why waste all the space and time. This is shorter and more effective

jraf

Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui.
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