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[billvon 3,090]

>But guess what, the liberal media didn't cover that.

The Star-Telegram and the Houston Chronicle covered it, and it was mentioned in USA Today.

>The only one I saw mention it was Foxnews...

Well, if you only _watch_ fox, you'll only see it on fox!

[happythoughts 0]

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...Albright accused Hussein of building 48 presidential palaces since the Gulf War, at a cost of $1.5 billion. Albright also said that Iraq wanted to import goods such as "Italian marble, videos, perfume, leather jackets," and not food and medicine.

People are blaming the suffering of the Iraqi people on sanctions. People should do a search on the "presidential palaces Iraq". Hussein has rejected offers of raising the level from $4bn to $17bn, but rejected the offer to get international sympathy for the removal of sanctions. The sanctions aren't responsible for the problems. His people suffer for his political gain.

[PhillyKev 0]

Yeah, but think of all the people that those presidential palaces will employ, and the job market for importers. It's trickle down economics. He just took a page from the Reagan/Bush economic policies. Build up the corporations and the rich and they'll take care of the rest.

Please make sure your sarcasm meter is on before replying to this.

[wmw999 2,560]

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...Albright accused Hussein of building 48 presidential palaces since the Gulf War, at a cost of $1.5 billion. Albright also said that Iraq wanted to import goods such as "Italian marble, videos, perfume, leather jackets," and not food and medicine.

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People are blaming the suffering of the Iraqi people on sanctions. People should do a search on the "presidential palaces Iraq". Hussein has rejected offers of raising the level from $4bn to $17bn, but rejected the offer to get international sympathy for the removal of sanctions. The sanctions aren't responsible for the problems. His people suffer for his political gain.

Something is weird here -- my post (which you quoted) shows no content from Billvon's post -- is this in it? Or was it originally, and I just wasn't fast enough to view? Either way, where did that content come from?

Either way, I agree Saddam is a really bad dude. Really bad. I don't think it's time to blow away his suffering people yet to get at him.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,090]

>People are blaming the suffering of the Iraqi people on sanctions.

When we allowed more food into Iraq under the "oil for food" program, far fewer people starved. The average number of calories a day per person went from 1300 a day in 1993 to 2400 a day (i.e. adequate) in 2000, mainly due to our limited lifting of sanctions.

(source: CRS report RL30472, 7/10/2001)

>The sanctions aren't responsible for the problems. His people suffer
>for his political gain.

I agree that our sanctions _now_, after we lifted a few of them, are not severely hurting the Iraqi people; he's doing that. Like many despots throughout the world, he is enriching himself (and his political allies) at the cost of the poor in his country.

[happythoughts 0]

Like the "Death Star" Nearing completion and all those helpless construction workers who died during the attack. Did Luke bother to consider their families?

[PhillyKev 0]

EXACTLY!!!

[happythoughts 0]

Sorry for the confusion. I should have been clearer. I was just making a general comment.

People are for/against the war without considering more facts than just what is presented by some group. Most groups providing information have an agenda. Omitting facts can sway people. I was just contributing facts that I felt were relevant. Obviously, I am not considering all sides, just throwing out a comment for consideration.

People are protesting about stuff. This is what I consider protest-worthy. Children without drinking water while Saddam has multiple 50-foot waterfalls at his palace. The Canadians were going around drilling wells a few years ago. The cost was about $3000. each. Where Saddam has placed his priorities is despicable.

[AndyMan 7]

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You people are reaching now... LOL

It's kinda funny seeing both rgoper, and the rest of us that are looking for international support before stariting the next war, put into "you people".

Richard celebrates his military career just as much as you do, if not more.

Before the Iraq stuff came up, he was clearly leaning to the right, not left. You might want to consider opening your mind to ideas that are independent of ideology.

It's interesting. The Republicans used to be against war, the democrats used to be for it (WWII, Vietnam). The Republicans used to be for fiscal conservatism, while the democrats used to favor big bugets (80's, 90's). It's amazing how time changes things.

It's not about right or left, it's a lot bigger then that. It's about right or wrong.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[PhillyKev 0]

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It's not about right or left, it's a lot bigger then that. It's about right or wrong.

But independently deciding what is right or wrong is hard and means you have to think about stuff. It's a lot easier just to follow party lines. And before hypersensitivity kicks in, there are people on both sides of the issue who have given it a lot of though, consideration and research, but many more on both sides that are just following the crowd.

[AndyMan 7]

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But independently deciding what is right or wrong is hard and means you have to think about stuff. It's a lot easier just to follow party lines. And before hypersensitivity kicks in, there are people on both sides of the issue who have given it a lot of though, consideration and research, but many more on both sides that are just following the crowd.

So what?

Challenging people to think for themselves is a bad thing?

Or

Blindly following the will of the current regime (oops, I meant adminsitration) is a good thing?

I'm reminded of Nixon, who when seeking for re-election, promised that he had a great solution to end the Vietnam war, but couldn't tell us because it was critical to national security that it remail secret.

Of course he didn't get elected (well, didn't rea;ly get the change to run....), and we found out that there actually was no plan.

People that fail to study history are bound to repeat it.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[wmw999 2,560]

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So what?

Challenging people to think for themselves is a bad thing?

I imagined PhillyKev's post being said with an "Oh MAAAAN -- you mean I gotta THINK!?!?" tone of voice.

Including the party line that you agree with in your thought process is OK. Using it in lieu of a thought process isn't so good.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rhino 0]

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It's kinda funny seeing both rgoper, and the rest of us that are looking for international support before stariting the next war, put into "you people".

Oh.. There you are Andy.. lol

My mind is open trust me.. As you know I simply stand up for what I believe in.

The reaching comment was my hint back at someone that wanted to get me flaming and failed.. lol

Let us not start classifying people..

Rhino

[kallend 2,120]

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But independently deciding what is right or wrong is hard and means you have to think about stuff. It's a lot easier just to follow party lines. And before hypersensitivity kicks in, there are people on both sides of the issue who have given it a lot of though, consideration and research, but many more on both sides that are just following the crowd.

So what?

Challenging people to think for themselves is a bad thing?

Or

Blindly following the will of the current regime (oops, I meant adminsitration) is a good thing?

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

" Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[VectorBoy 0]

God bless you man, I'm saving a seat or two on the otter for the others, there will be BEER. Glen

[kmcguffee 0]

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"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

" Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering

Can we consider this the new liberal argument? "If you agree with anything the gov't does or says then you can't think for yourself." Seems akin to calling anyone who doesn't agree with the government "unpatriotic".

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[kmcguffee 0]

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In fact one in Houston had 8000+ people.

Yeah, with absolutely no advertisement. It wan't pro-war though. It was supporting the administration's actions, our troops, and current UK/US plans for dealing with Iraq. Just think, the gov't didn't even have to bus us into town and threaten to beat us to make it happen (unlike Iraq).

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin