Michele 1 #51 February 19, 2003 I'm lost (so what else is new...). Doesn't the FAA have regulations which state something along the lines of the less maneuverable aircraft have the right of way, and then go on to establish that the order is something like parachutes, gliders, small planes, less small planes, etc? And are the pilots declaring "jumping activity going on at XX location" like I've heard them do? And if the guy in the small plane who got the video tape is known to "buzz" the dz, isn't he the one who has to yeild the right of way? Like I said, I may be lost, but if what I've heard and read is correct, then the pilot of the plane is in the wrong. And any federal investigation should be made aware of that. Of course, I could be totally wrong. Can anyone clarify this for me? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #52 February 19, 2003 QuoteI'm lost (so what else is new...). Doesn't the FAA have regulations which state something along the lines of the less maneuverable aircraft have the right of way, and then go on to establish that the order is something like parachutes, gliders, small planes, less small planes, etc? And are the pilots declaring "jumping activity going on at XX location" like I've heard them do? And if the guy in the small plane who got the video tape is known to "buzz" the dz, isn't he the one who has to yeild the right of way? Like I said, I may be lost, but if what I've heard and read is correct, then the pilot of the plane is in the wrong. And any federal investigation should be made aware of that. Of course, I could be totally wrong. Can anyone clarify this for me? The jumpship should not have dropped jumpers if it knew that another plane was below, regardless of whether the pilot announced jumpers away on the radio or not. It is plausible that the pilot of the private aircraft wasn't listening to Unicom, it's plausible that the jump pilot didn't announce jumpers (which is illegal), and it's plausible that the pilot of the private aircraft was being an asshole and flying below freefalling jumpers on purpose. Take your pick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #53 February 19, 2003 I heard that rumor too. I'm thinking about interviewing Mr. Dow and seeing if that's true, along with the rest of the things people have said about him. Might be interesting... Quote So for those who don't know the K-pow rumor- This PRICK had a girl - kept her beat down. She went for a jump. Some nice skydivers helped her out. She was friendly to said skydivers and left said PRICK. PRICK wants to shut down DZ for revenge. (sorry I can't post this under my normal userID - I'm not ready for the flames) "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #54 February 19, 2003 QuoteIs this the guy? Pilots Database Search Result Name : DOW, JEFFREY WELLINGTON Pilot's Address : 14719 275TH ST E GRAHAM, WA, 98338-8752 FAA Region : Northwest/Mountain Date of Medical : Apr, 2002 Class of Medical : 2 Expiration : Apr, 2003 Pilot Certificates : Commercial Pilot Airplane Single Engine Land Airplane Multiengine Land Instrument Airplane : Flight Engineer Turbojet Powered : Mechanic Airframe Powerplant Hook Think I'll pay him a visit as part of my article about the "expose"."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #55 February 19, 2003 According to another article, he has lived on the airport property since 1983. He shouldn't be hard to find. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #56 February 19, 2003 Glad somebody saved me the trouble. Thanks for the clicky -------------------------------- Quote "Kaposwin Air Sports won't comment on Kyle's death. However, A KIRO Team 7 Investigation uncovered a pattern of fatal accidents and injuries which far exceeds the norm." There hasn't been a fatality at Kapowsin since July 2000, and the last one was nearly two years before that. What is the "norm" for skydiving fatalities / injuries? Anybody? Kapowsin's a big, busy DZ too. Given the huge number of jumps made during the busy season there, some injuries are going to occur. Besides, skydiving is dangerous - big "Duh" factor here for a clueless reporter. Quote "Based on statistics from the US Parachute Association, the Kapowsin jump school's death rate is nearly four times the national average since Kyle's death." To the best of my knowledge, there have been three fatalities at Kapowsin since 1995. Two were the back-to-back tandem deaths in 1998. The first was caused when the student reached up and pulled the cutaway handle. The JM died in that one, but the student survived. The very next day, rotors from trees caused a partial collapse at low altitude, resulting in the death of a student. The JM lived. The last death at Kapowsin was in July 2000. Dan Fabio from Skydive Orange flew straight in under a good canopy without flaring. I fail to see how these deaths establish a "pattern" that is "four times the average". The story opened with the parent of the 1995 fatility. KIRO basically exploited a grieving parent to get the flavor they wanted. It's just shameful, and I find it noteworthy that they had to look back eight years to find somebody willing to go on the air and say the things the reporters wanted them to - e.g., that Kapowsin and the Farringtons were to blame. So, the story had a lot of dramatic words, but little substance. Yellow journalism at its very worst, folks."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #57 February 19, 2003 QuoteAccording to another article, he has lived on the airport property since 1983. He shouldn't be hard to find. Think I'll drop by and chat with him. Even if he refuses to talk to me (which is likely), that will be newsworthy."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #58 February 19, 2003 Don't forget his address Mark. Name : DOW, JEFFREY WELLINGTON Pilot's Address : 14719 275TH ST E GRAHAM, WA, 98338-8752 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooked 0 #59 February 19, 2003 I have sent KIRO an email stating my views on their coverage. I too was upset they implied Kapowsin somehow contributed to the death of the skydiver, whose father they interviewed. I found it sad. I hope you keep us posted on anything you find out. I don't intend on watching KIRO any longer. It will be interesting to see if I get a reply back from them. J -------------------------------------- Sometimes we're just being Humans.....But we're always Human Beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #60 February 19, 2003 QuoteIt will be interesting to see if I get a reply back from them. J I doubt you will. The "reporter" was a snitty young punk, who basically blew me off when I attempted to discuss it with him yesterday. He said it was because the story hadn't aired yet (I was trying to get down there and see the piece before it aired, but I couldn't get away from work); however, I don't think his attitude will be any different today. Because the piece is so sensational and lacking in hard facts, the story can basically be whatever the reporter wants it to be. That way, he can "stand behind his story" without actually having to substantiate any of the allegations raised in it. Neat, isn't it? He (the reporter) can't lose, and detractors can't win. If any effort is made to refute the allegations, he can say that "statistics can be whatever anybody wants them to be", and if more information comes in to subtstantiate the allegations, he can use it to defend the piece. Remember that this is already yesterday's news to the TV tabloid flacks who put it together, and having made their sensational story, will now move on to the next thing."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JumpHog 0 #61 February 19, 2003 QuoteI hated the part where they were talking with the father of a skydiver that died and implied Kapowsin had something to do with the fact that his chute didn't open. How can the safetiness of Kapowsin have any bearing on that incident? Skydiving is a risk all skydivers take and the circumstances of this young mans death were never clearly stated other than his chute didn't open. Curious as to the circumstances behind this jumpers "chute not opening", I looked back through the fatalities report for that year. Apparently, this was an experienced jumper (300-500 jumps) that was making his 3rd jump on a new Stiletto 135(exit wt 200+). This jumper was known for making aggressive hook turns on landing. At about 300 feet, he did a snap toggle hook that was hard enough to induce line twists. He never recovered from the twists and impacted on his back. This is a tragic accident that could have been prevented (by said jumper), but for the news report to imply that this accident was the dropzone's fault is ludicrous. I hope that someone is able to set the news station (as well as the public) straight about all of these 'incidents' at Kapowsin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #62 February 19, 2003 Not sure about the law over there Mark, but isn't there some sort of libel action the DZ can take, either to supress an unfair report, or after the broadcast? You guys seem to be able to sue for all sorts of things, surely loss of earnings and defamation of reputation could be considered as grounds for a suit?.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #63 February 19, 2003 People might not like the idea but a lawsuit for defamation might be a start to making the TV station shake a bit. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #64 February 19, 2003 Damn, beat me to it by --> <-- much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #65 February 19, 2003 My feeling is, by now, the damage if any has been done. I doubt KIRO will ever air a counter story because that's not the image they want to portray. I just hope that people are smart enough to understand yellow journalism and that what you see on TV is rarely the truth. And I will NEVER watch KIRO, they are not a news station, they are a TV Tabloid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #66 February 19, 2003 Can you prove that the damage amount? As for this situation remember thre are 2 sides to the story and the truth probally lies somewhere between them. I think most Dropzones have a Farmer McNasty near them... but usually things can be done to work with that person to help things out. If no effort was made to work with then both sides are to blame. I've seen DZ's only do jump run in one direction to avoid having to fly over certian land and others that agree not to allow people to camp over on airports since that was the easiest way to please those people. If that rumor is true then its a personal vendetta that will probally not end until someone dies trying to prove how dangerous the DZ is.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #67 February 19, 2003 [reply[ experienced jumper (300-500 jumps) that was making his 3rd jump on a new Stiletto 135(exit wt 200+). This jumper was known for making aggressive hook turns on landing. At about 300 feet, he did a snap toggle hook that was hard enough to induce line twists. Yeah, that was Kyle, he had a good canopy, and did the above.And the rumor you mentioned, not a rumor. This is personal for Jeff buddy. ---------------------------- bzzzz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #68 February 19, 2003 I'm with ya on that one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirMail 0 #69 February 19, 2003 QuoteKIRO, they are not a news station, they are a TV Tabloid What about talking to competing TV station to get the DZ's version of the story aired? Patrick-- It's never too late to have a happy childhood. Postal Rodriguez, Muff 3342 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #70 February 19, 2003 QuoteQuoteKIRO, they are not a news station, they are a TV Tabloid What about talking to competing TV station to get the DZ's version of the story aired? Patrick I don't think the Farringtons are interested. They know they'll get a raw deal."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #71 February 19, 2003 Is this on-line anywhere? I'd love to see the report with my own eyes.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #72 February 19, 2003 Dude, get video when you are interviewing said prick. Make Geraldo proud! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #73 February 19, 2003 QuoteIs this on-line anywhere? I'd love to see the report with my own eyes. this is the 530 broad cast, i havent seen a transcript of the 1100 that had more "detail" [I]cough gag choke....[/I]____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #74 February 19, 2003 Is this not where spokesperson from U.S.P.A. step in and announce to the press in support of the sport and d.z.?? Smiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #75 February 19, 2003 Quote Is this not where spokesmen from U.S.P.A. step in and announce to the press in support of the sport and d.z.?? Smiles This might be an odd question but has any one from Kapowsin called USPA for assistance? Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
