Push 0 #26 February 18, 2003 I'm no specialist here, but I'm under the impression that, at least in Canada, a NOTAM means that, if the pilot recklessly endangers lives in an airspace in which a NOTAM is in effect, that pilot did wrong and is held accountable. Again, you definitely know this better than me. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #27 February 18, 2003 hmm. Well he is truly a moron. But oh well. There are lots of em in the world. It is funny the crap he pulls, really twisted. But his time will come. I am sure he lurks here too. The DZO did talk to KIRO about the story, but they just want something good to talk about, so they will run it the way they want too. But I would be surprised if they DIDN'T run the DZ's side of it. Just because they want something else to talk about. Dumb news. As far as sabotaging his plane. Sorry, it is a beautiful stagger wing Beach. I couldn't bring myself to hurt something like that. I am sure it will be around long after he isn't. As the DZ turns... ---------------------------- bzzzz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #28 February 18, 2003 Much respect to you for handling the situation in such a mature manner. From what I understand, these KIRO people are nothing but a video tabloid. I would imagine that most people that watch tabloids are not interested in skydiving in the first place, so this shouldn't have any kind of impact on the DZ. The best revenge would be to buy the plane from him and use it as a jumpship (if it's possible). -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #29 February 18, 2003 That could be very effective, but calculating trajectory and all that may be difficult. A 10lb bag of #2 buckshot carefully dispersed may be more effective.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KawiZX900 0 #30 February 18, 2003 I wrote the paper a letter, asking for both sides of the story, and to defer the live @ five until they had spoken with pilots,DZO,jumpers etc. it was professionally writ Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallin14 0 #31 February 18, 2003 "There is nothing the FAA will do for just flying through a DZ. Now if there was a collision then the FAA might site the pilot for trasgressing an active DZ and for not checking his NOTAMs. But that's only after the fact. And I agree that is sad" Chris, Couldn't this be a textbook example of 91.13? Careless and reckless operation?? I would think the FAA could slap that on this guy in a heartbeat, especially if it is proven he has done it several times, each time interferring with a jump run. I could also see in a stetch them violating him on 91.111, which is titled operating near other aircraft. It states that no person may operate an aircraft so close to another aircraft as to create a collision hazard. Now this guy probably isn't getting close to the jump plane, but I could see a pissed off fed bringing this one on him since he is in fact creating a collision hazard. My advice to the people there is to video this guy any chance you get, show him doing any number of things wrong, to build a case. This asshole makes all of aviation look bad, and he needs a serious asskicking (but don't let him get that on video) Bret Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #32 February 18, 2003 91.13 is exactly what I'm referring to. But unfortunately I don't believe they will do anything until there is a collision. Call me cynical. I hope that the feds would act on video made by the DZ about this pilot's antics. That would be helpful to all DZs around the nation.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #33 February 18, 2003 Well, we all seem to feel the same way about said moron, all I ask is that you keep us updated on events, this is something we all should know a little about, since we all one day will have to deal with our own Farmer McNasties I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #34 February 18, 2003 Heads up - I just talked to the KIRO-TV "reporter" who put together this story. He says it's running at 5:30 (meaning the news starts at 5, and they'll save the Kapowsin story for last, hyping it just before every commercial break). He also said that the story would "talk about the safety record and fatalities" (There hasn't been a death at Kapowsin since 21 July 2000), so I had the impression, at least from his snitty attitude, that he was doing a "Horrendo Revolver"-style "expose" (read - hatchet job) on Kapowsin, but I'll be watching it and writing it up for the magazine, along with the Farringtons' reaction to it. Stay tuned - heh. If there is interest, I will transcribe the broadcast so that the whole darn skydiving world can read it."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #35 February 18, 2003 see above, I know of at least one person who is really interested I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #36 February 18, 2003 Please at least give us some idea of what they said. You never know, one of the people here may one day be a DZO and have to deal with this kind of crap. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooked 0 #37 February 18, 2003 I plan on taping it, but (for someone else to do...) is it possible to tape and somehow get it on the computer to post for everyone to see? J -------------------------------------- Sometimes we're just being Humans.....But we're always Human Beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnonImus 0 #38 February 18, 2003 So for those who don't know the K-pow rumor- This PRICK had a girl - kept her beat down. She went for a jump. Some nice skydivers helped her out. She was friendly to said skydivers and left said PRICK. PRICK wants to shut down DZ for revenge. (sorry I can't post this under my normal userID - I'm not ready for the flames) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #39 February 18, 2003 the prickster is pricking with the most gorgeous d.z. I have ever jumped at again??? any interest?....LARGE.... SmilesVancouver, B.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #40 February 19, 2003 Quote However, Kapowsin filed for a cloud clearance exemption with the FAA a couple of years back. Jumping too near clouds is regarded by the FAA as dangerous. Chris, Is there such a thing as a cloud clearance exemption? Or maybe it was a joke...As far as I know skydivers fall under the same VFR cloud clearance minimums as aircraft and there's no such thing as an exemption. over? Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 February 19, 2003 Click on the link to the USPA website and read Motion 20 or do a find on "Kapowsin". Not a joke. clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #42 February 19, 2003 Id like to throw out said PRICK out of a PLANE. PARACHUTE optional. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #43 February 19, 2003 QuoteIf there is interest, I will transcribe the broadcast so that the whole darn skydiving world can read it. If you don't mind doing the work I'd love to read that. I'm sure there's more than just a couple people who are interested, too. Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #44 February 19, 2003 Quote. I'm sure there's more than just a couple people who are interested, too Me, count me as one of the many who're interested. Quite interested. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #45 February 19, 2003 lovely bit of biased reporting.{gag} but read it for yourselves.. http://www.kirotv.com/news/1987660/detail.html QuoteKIRO 7 Eyewitness News Investigative Reporter Planes and parachute jumpers on a dangerous collision course -- we have exclusive videotape that is now at the center of a federal investigation. Washington's largest parachute jump school is under fire for a list of possible safety violations. We have confirmed the Federal Aviation Administration is investigating complaints regarding Kapowsin Air Sports in Graham. Those who skydive are aware of the dangers. In fact, sometimes that adds to the excitement of the sport. However, the FAA says Kapowsin Air Sports may be unnecessarily putting jumpers and small aircraft pilots at risk. Plowing out the door of a plane and plunging to the earth at 130 miles per hour is a way of life for some adventuresome souls. "He loved it. He had two great loves in his life: His two daughters, --[he was a] a single parent -- and skydiving. They came in that order," said Kyle's dad, Bill Robinson. Kyle's dad, Bill, is talking in the past tense. In May of 1995, Kyle died at Kapowsin Air Field in Graham. Witnesses say his brand new parachute collapsed 300 feet off the ground. Today, the Robinson family still wonders what went wrong. "Did he know he was doing something wrong? Was he instructed properly?" "You gotta have safety rules to survive and keep going. If you don't follow them, they increase your risk," Robinson said. Kaposwin Air Sports won't comment on Kyle's death. However, A KIRO Team 7 Investigation uncovered a pattern of fatal accidents and injuries which far exceeds the norm. Based on statistics from the US Parachute Association, the Kapowsin jump school's death rate is nearly four times the national average since Kyle's death. Commercial pilot Jeff Dow says he has witnessed firsthand dozens of unsafe incidents at Kapowsin Air Sports. "It's dangerous. It's dangerous flying out here. I've been in close calls with these people. When you try to fly the normal traffic patterns for safety, and they don't, the mixture is not a good one," Dow said. Dow videotaped several close calls and handed them over to the FAA. KIRO Team 7 Investigators have obtained the footage as well, and it's eye-opening. We see one of Kapowsin's jump planes nearly smashing into another occupied plane on an active runway. The wings miss by inches. Then, there is this incident: Dow's girlfriend shot the footage while they were coming in for a landing at the Kapowsin Airfield. "As soon as I rolled out, I had a windshield screen filled with skydivers coming down -- chutes open, in various stages of being open," Dow said. The black dots are Kapowsin parachute jumpers, apparently falling through an established flight landing pattern. Dow says he banked his plane hard to avoid slamming into and possibly killing the group of skydivers. "When they drop in front of you, it's nothing more than a collision hazard, like someone jaywalking. You might get away with it a few times, but sooner or later, they're going to get hit," Dow said. Parachute jump schools are typically underinsured and underregulated. The Federal Aviation Administration has limited oversight. That agency tells KIRO Team 7 Investigators it has received so many safety related complaints about Kapowsin Air Sports that it is now "actively pursuing a case" and soon expect some "enforcement action." Bill Robinson welcomes a federal safety investigation, but says it does little to easy his painful loss. "There's still wounds that get opened up and I don't like that. It's hard for me to deal with," Robinson said. Owners of Kapowsin Air Sports spoke to us on the phone, but asked that the conversation not be part of this story. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooked 0 #46 February 19, 2003 But we have to wait until the 11:00 news to get the rest of the story! What a bunch of crap. J -------------------------------------- Sometimes we're just being Humans.....But we're always Human Beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #47 February 19, 2003 Their headlines are phrased in the most sensationalist manner possible. They either repeat CNN or have things like "Sheriffs car rolls over in chase". Tabloids, safe to ignore. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #48 February 19, 2003 Is this the guy? Pilots Database Search Result Name : DOW, JEFFREY WELLINGTON Pilot's Address : 14719 275TH ST E GRAHAM, WA, 98338-8752 FAA Region : Northwest/Mountain Date of Medical : Apr, 2002 Class of Medical : 2 Expiration : Apr, 2003 Pilot Certificates : Commercial Pilot Airplane Single Engine Land Airplane Multiengine Land Instrument Airplane : Flight Engineer Turbojet Powered : Mechanic Airframe Powerplant Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 February 19, 2003 that would be the ass on the news, yes... funny how in the spot they just showed he said " i nearly killed several students" no shit..of course the news failed to pick out the important part of his statement...bastards..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooked 0 #50 February 19, 2003 Yes, that news coverage was offensive. You can't even call it news, but sensationalism. I will be emailing KIRO to voice my opinion on this story and I won't be watching their news show (if that's what you want to call it) any longer. I hated the part where they were talking with the father of a skydiver that died and implied Kapowsin had something to do with the fact that his chute didn't open. How can the safetiness of Kapowsin have any bearing on that incident? Skydiving is a risk all skydivers take and the circumstances of this young mans death were never clearly stated other than his chute didn't open. And the statement, 'I nearly killed several students', how did he know if they were students or licensed skydivers? J -------------------------------------- Sometimes we're just being Humans.....But we're always Human Beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
