quade 4 #51 March 13, 2003 QuoteGWB is a cowboy who wants to be president... Correction . . . who IS the President.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #52 March 13, 2003 I think the cowboy comment has to do with seeing things in a black-and-white way (she done him wrong, he's up to no good), and with the ability of a single person to determine what is good and what isn't based on their own values. Only works if those values mirror the community's. Iraq and the world aren't part of the US, so our values (or GWB's alone) shouldn't be used in such a black-and-white way. The cowboys weren't all good, and the Indians weren't all bad, either. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #53 March 13, 2003 There are lots of terrorist countries in the world, why pick Iraq to invade? Libya had as little to do with 911 as Iraq, why not invade them? Bush reckons he's got carte blanche, fuck the rest of the world he's got a game of Risk to finish... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #54 March 13, 2003 QuoteWell apparently the US population wanted him to be president too... Am I right? Why not give the Florida argument? Actually, by all counts, a minority voted for him. And if Gore had been declared the winner, he wouldn't have had a mandate either. A majority, but certainly not a mandate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #55 March 13, 2003 Nope, I meant he wants to be president (but isn't quite up to the job). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #56 March 13, 2003 i have NEVER inferred SH wasn't a terroists. i have every reason to believe the results of attacking iraq will be an atrocious act in futility with worldwide consequences. a bunch of you "09/11 generation" don't seem to have lived long enough to realize the consequences of such an action, rightous or not. P.S. please do not take the "09/11 generation" as an insult, as it was coined by one of your peers that hosts an MTV newshow who went around and interviewed teenagers and groups in age 16-25 years of age, they assingned themselves the moniker.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #57 March 13, 2003 Quotethis is rumour now, not fact..YET. so bear this in mind. i was having a conversation with "someone in the know" just this evening, i was advised we have spotted trucks in the oilfields of iraq today. (via U-2) there are suggestions that C-4 is being placed on the iraqi oil wells today. the "new plan" is to place explosives on the wells that will not only blow the "X-Trees" off, but will destroy the integrity of the casing down to 200' so as to make salvage next to impossible. again, this is speculative for now, but i do know technology does exists to achieve such an objective, and i also know for fact that oilfield firefighting specialists are planning for such activities and every imageanable well destruction scenario. how bad do we want this? this would be FUBAR to say the least. and this sadaam fella is just the egomaniac to "pull the trigger" on his own wells. last time they were relatively easy to put out, this time, it won't be so easy. i think they learned from they're last attempts how to make the destruction of wells more effective. GOOD - if we were smart we'd push for electric vehicle and mass transportation so we never EVER have to deal with any of the middle east ever again!!! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #58 March 13, 2003 No Insult taken.... It has some truth to it. Although I am on the out skirts of that age, it has been the one standout moment in my life thus far. In my parents it was the Kennedy assassination. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #59 March 13, 2003 We will never be out of The Middle east affairs, especially as the world pushes further with a world market. Plus, RGOPER would be out a job if we left their oil alone, and I won't speak for him, but I am guessing he wouldn't like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #60 March 13, 2003 "RGOPER would be out a job if we left their oil alone" There's always plenty places to work in the oil biz. Its just that the places are becoming more and more unpleasant.Rich, you and I are thinking the same way, I talked about the same scenario you describe a couple of hours earlier, in this same thread. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #61 March 13, 2003 Dave: you've probably heard the same "industry talk" i have as well. this won't be pretty. RE: Chris: Chris, i'm in saudi because it's where i want to be right now at this point in my carreer (28 years now) truth of the matter, and i generally don't "tell all my business" is "it looks good on a resume~" and i don't mind international work, i've been everywhere else but here, in fact, it's charachter building plus i get to learn about other cultures and lifestyles hopefully making me more diverse.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #62 March 13, 2003 Richard, we also both know exactly how truly fragile the wells and all the other stuff, like refineries, pumping stations, pipelines etc actually are. The good news is that we both know how to put it together again, given enough time, resources,and sufficient incentive, but it will be neither cheap nor quick. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #63 March 13, 2003 if it "hits the fan" i'm sure we'll cross paths, but we'll take some time to hurl ourselves out of a perfectly good plane someday as well! C Ya!--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #64 March 13, 2003 >Well apparently the US population wanted him to be president too... >Am I right? No, most of them did not. More people voted for Gore than Bush. We don't go by popular vote here, we go by electoral college - and that's not the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tb62871 0 #65 March 13, 2003 That could be true. But if they didnt have the oil to sell wolud they be able to fund all their terrorist activities? --TB Welcome my friends to the show that never ends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnPolk 0 #66 March 13, 2003 Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? Just like Bush said this is self defense. this is different than anything we have been involved in since wwII. saying that it is about oil is stupid. how much oil did we seize after the Gulf War? oh yeah, none. I'm just glad that we have someone like bush in there to deal with it. he must have balls of steel. JOHN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #67 March 13, 2003 9/11...that's when Iraq attacked us, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #68 March 13, 2003 Quotehow much oil did we seize after the Gulf War? oh yeah, none. Unless, of course, you count all the oil fields in Kuwait. Remember what started the Gulf War? Iraq invading Kuwait. If you didn't think that was about oil, then you were not paying attention.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #69 March 13, 2003 Quote>Well apparently the US population wanted him to be president too... >Am I right? No, most of them did not. More people voted for Gore than Bush. We don't go by popular vote here, we go by electoral college - and that's not the same thing. And it's damned good we have it. I would hate to live under the lifestyle of NY, Cali, and a few other densely populated areas.http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #70 March 13, 2003 QuoteAnd it's damned good we have it. We'll I can go two ways on this . . . #1 -- Sometimes the majority opinion isn't right no matter how popular that opinion may be. For instance, in the south, before the civil war, the majority of people thought slavery was ok. That, however, certainly didn't make it "right". #2 Unfortunately, putting power in the hands of the minority can have (usually has) even worse effects. For instance, most of the population of the Soviet Union were not officially communist party members and in more recent years the taliban was a very small percentage of the population of Afghanistan. So . . . two different sides of major and minor rule, both kinda suck.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #71 March 14, 2003 I do understand the difference. I will refrase that. - The people in the BIG states elected him there. If people don't like the electoral college (I don't) then let's push legislation to change it! Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
