jose 0 #1 March 17, 2003 There is a lot of debates going on about war on this forum. Some members debate wisely, some, not so much. I have seen both sides voice there opinions and it seems like some members use this topic as a type of troll, just not a skydiving troll. Others bring a very informative discussion to the table, but eventually tempers get flaired. So, my question to you is, how do you feel about the current trend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #2 March 17, 2003 these debates are a "sign of the times" as it were.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #3 March 17, 2003 the debates are needed so my friends can learn.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 March 17, 2003 I don't read them.....I had been avoiding this thread just because of the subject line. I caved in due to boredom. Just seems like a lot of people want to be "Armchair quarter backs." I stay out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 March 17, 2003 Quote I don't read them Me either, anymore. I used to, and I've learned quite a bit from some of the more reasoned and thoughtful posts and posters. I do have to "graze" over them now and then to be sure emotions aren't getting out of hand - the downside of being green - but the debates have been raging long enough now that most people seem to be saying the same things over and over... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 March 17, 2003 Quote most people seem to be saying the same things over and over... Yeah, but we're using different words, and saying it louder. Kind of like trying to get someone to understand English Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #7 March 17, 2003 I encourage the free exchange of ideas, as long as everyone remains civil ... peolpe in Iraq and China don't have the freedom to publicly debate issues like we do in the West... I'm thankful for that right. I may not agree with your opinions, but I'd stand up for your right to voice it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #8 March 17, 2003 I like them. They really stir the pot don't they? Not much middle ground over the Iraq deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #9 March 17, 2003 I like them. They really stir the pot don't they? Not much middle ground over the Iraq deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #10 March 17, 2003 Just my 2$ , I thing this site needs a live chat room just for this forum. blue skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #11 March 17, 2003 there is chatif my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #12 March 17, 2003 I dont mind the endless debates on here.I read em sometimes.I usually ignore them.Its actually very informative sometimes.Sometimes just entertaining.I do have my own opinion on these issues but I choose not to share them in the forums.Not really sure why,I just dont.dropdeded ------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jose 0 #13 March 17, 2003 Well, I am hoping to get some more votes on this matter. As it stands, there is a lot of support for dropping it and talking about jumping more. What I am surprised on is how 10% have thought about leaving DZ.com. I guess that a fair amount of people like to come to DZ.com as a release and escape from the real world. Isn't that one of the reasons we all jump? To feel free from all the crap that everyone else is doing, and to share time with non-judgemental friends that accept you wholeheartledly because you are a fellow skydiver. There was a time when I had that same feeling here, but since the world has changed, its not the same. It's been so long since I heard someone say "Im going to downsize from a 170 to a 129, whaddaya think?" and we all razzed him. Those kinds of post seem to be a part of the past. I think that you know where I stand on this issue if you have read any of my posts on the matter, but this isn't just my opinion. I hope people can take into account the results from the poll before posting the same old rhetoric that everyone else has seen before, be it in support or in protest. I thank you for your replies and votes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #14 March 17, 2003 I like discussing it, I like exchanging opinions on it, I like hearing what people from other countries and cultures have to say about it, but I don't like arguing about it, or mud slinging because of it. And I really detest the hate it has caused. Thats about it.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #15 March 17, 2003 QuoteAnd I really detest the hate it has caused That, particularly. Before thinking that all those French jokes and parking lot jokes don't matter, consider that there are people who think that gives them a reason to damage others and say ugly things. Here in Houston, a woman had her house vandalized. No, the pro-war folks didn't TELL them to. But the atmosphere made it seem more acceptable. This is the same atmosphere that had someone say viciously that they'd never buy Cirque du Soleil tickets because they're French. Of course, they're not, but hey -- they sound French. It's such bullshit. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 March 17, 2003 "Here in Houston, a woman had her house vandalized." That is Bullshit indeed, I'm sorry to hear it. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #17 March 17, 2003 ***Anything non-skydiving related should be discussed here! Politics, relationships, soap box, etc... Skydiving discussions are welcome but you may have better luck in the General Skydiving Discussions forum. This forum is moderated but expect a noisy bar!*** this is what you see before you click and enter this particular forum. as for the attack on the lady in houston, i call BS. where else, but the "land of the free, and the home of the brave?" is this how we want the world to see USA citizens behave? no wonder the world hates us. there was no place for my opinion in your poll, so i didn't vote.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #18 March 17, 2003 No more trips to the "Statue of Liberty" then? Should I take the Cypress out my rig? The discussions were interesting when backed up by credible sources of information but the inflammatory crap has gotten out of hand. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #19 March 17, 2003 Quote boycott anything from France or Germany Like the Statue of Libery, or the BMW you drive? ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #20 March 17, 2003 Quote this is what you see before you click and enter this particular forum. Fair point. I never (and never will) believe that politics & religion have a place in any sport. The world seems a little fucked up to me at the moment, and this is a place I like to think of as "sanctuary". However...it's a topic that's in the news (apparently) and maybe more "truths" are discussed here, than in any of our "so called" parliaments (which is derived from a French word by the way). This is a place for open discussion and should remain that way...however painfull -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genie 0 #21 March 17, 2003 Y'know all these posts about boycotting France and Germany - and anyone who doesnt agree with America, i guess, kinda upset me.. People are being blamed and stigmatised because of the actions of their government. This is one of the factors that caused September 11 to happen in the first place. America was The Great Satan because of their actions in the Middle East, and so americans deserved to die. It upsets me to see all these posts saying the French are pussies, Boycott Everything - it seems to me that theres little difference in americans hating an entire nation because of their governments actions and the islamic fundamentalist view of america. Re Wendys Mail - you summed it up perfectly - this kinda of hate being inspired towards a generic group is dangerous and im sorry to hear about the lady in Houston. My parents are recently returned from America and my mom said she was shocked by the vitriol being spewed towards the French. In England a couple fo years ago one of the tabloids decided to 'name and shame' paedophiles - and a mob attacked a pediatric doctor - hey its all the same isnt it? Guys - people out there dont agree with Americas decision to go to war - but the French arent yelling All yanks are killers ... my 0.2c Genie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #22 March 17, 2003 QuoteGuys - people out there dont agree with Americas decision to go to war - but the French arent yelling All yanks are killers ... i applaud your ability to speak your mind, it takes some backbone. i agree with everything you've said, i hate no one, although i am hated because of my tendency to "call it like i see it" my nationality, my heritage and my skin pigmentation, sad.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genie 0 #23 March 17, 2003 QuoteQuoteGuys - people out there dont agree with Americas decision to go to war - but the French arent yelling All yanks are killers ... i applaud your ability to speak your mind, it takes some backbone. i agree with everything you've said, i hate no one, although i am hated because of my tendency to "call it like i see it" my nationality, my heritage and my skin pigmentation, sad. Im sorry to hear that. Hate is a very strong word and one i try not to use - but i think an awful lot of the worlds problems are caused by people 'hating' when they dont even know what they hate. Islamic fundamentalist 'hate' americans - most of them have never even met an american! it saddens me to see americans falling into this trap so quickly after they suffered from it. Im watching Sky news here and Iraq has rejected the ultimatum. That means they are going to go in really soon now. Whats really scary is that the British soldiers who go in, and fight, could conceivably be tried as war criminals as this war is illegal by the conventions the UK has signed up to. The other REALLY scary thing is that the worl no longer has a moderating body. the United Nations has just been completey discredited as happened to the original League of Nations... wonder what they will call the next one? Or will the US decide that they dont need one anymore because might is right? Genie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #24 March 17, 2003 The BBc web page has went to an hourly update on the situation. I may have to switch on CNN (even though the coverage is crap) so I can listen to it in the background. I read on the bbc newspage that there was some dubious legal arguement that as the initial resolution for the GW1 ceasefire has not been fulfilled (i.e. disarmament) then that ceasefire is void and shooting can resume. Looks like the UN is getting brushed aside from now on. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #25 March 17, 2003 as i forecasted out of mere speculation Vladimir Putin has just issued a "Warning" to "Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday" (bush/blair) citing that "there will be grave consequences if the USA attacks iraq, and a UN that is already divided would be weakned to the point of no return" you can interpret what you will from his remarks, but i believe it's a thinly veiled yet profound threat. all of you here, you've been crying for it, here it comes. god bless our military and all people in the world.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
