Narcs at the DZ/Boogie!

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didnt expect everyone to take the officers side of it all sheesh

Nobody's taking the officers side. I personally am just saying if you're going to do it, I couldn't care less, just don't get caught. But if you DO get caught - it's NOT the cops fault! They're doing their job, so put you're hands behind you're back and live with it

[kevin922 0]

Boy that didn't take long to make it to dz! :) I got a picture of the police car.. hehe.. boy when I get back do I have a story about my travles from IAD (dulles) down to Moss Point -- a brief preview includes the famous quote from the xray screener "oh shit!" and get this - it took 4 airports and and 5 planes to get me to mobile! (not including the DZ!!)

Met sunshine and lolie and a few others (chili, n2) made 1 jump through some industrial haze, met some more BM, and got a stilleto 120 hooked up and ready to go!

Can't wait for good weather.

Kevin

[blewaway5 0]

I don't know much, folks, but this seems pretty straight forward to me. You can break it down into a flow chart almost, but since that's a pain in the ass, I'll just do a list.

1. If you're smoking pot or shooting up or whatever, fine, that's your business, but you know it's against the law (unless you're in Amsterdam or somewhere comperable)

2. A cop is supposed to enforce the laws that are on the books. We get a speeding ticket, we bitch, but odds are we were speeding. We get possession, odds are we were possessing.

3. While the laws may suck, the laws are, say it with me, the laws. I hate to quote Cutaway but they had it right. "If you're gonna play you're gonna have to pay." If you don't want to pay, either don't do it or minimize the risk and accept it when you get screwed. We skydive people, we know about acceptable risk.

Now there are a few variables involved here, but they don't really matter. Did people know these NARCs were there? That's one, and if someone did maybe they should have passed the word. Maybe the word was passed and this person thought they'd be okay. Once again, accepted the risk.

I could go on and on here, but the bottom line is, yeah it sucks the big one, but just ike we all kind of expect to have a malfunction some time, you're gonna get busted sometime. When you do, try not to hurt the DZ or the DZO in process.

Truman Sparks for President

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You do something illegal and get caught, you deserve what happens.

Bullshit. Just because it's illegal does not mean that it should be illegal. If you apply the same reasons for marijuana being illegal to other things, then cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal as well. Also, what you say implies that we should blindly agree with whatever the law happens to say. What if picking your nose was illegal and the penalty was death? Would you say that somebody who is caught picking their nose deserves to die? No, because your opinion comes from a personal choice to not smoke weed, which is fine. But don't make your personal choice the framework for everyone else's morality.

[LouDiamond 1]

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But don't make your personal choice the framework for everyone else's morality.

I think you should take some of your own advice. That exact statement could be used by someone opposed to the use of marijuana.

Bottom line is it is the law, weather you like it or not. Don't like to drive 55, no problem speed, if you get pulled over and ticketed you knew the consequences.

like to smoke pot, know it's illegal, smoke pot and get caught then the only one to blame is yourself.

There Are plenty of people I would like to out right kill but guess what, there is a law against it and I know the consequences if I get caught. So for now drug dealers and drug users are safe. Maybe all that will change one day, one can only wish the same way some wish drugs will be legalized.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING

[CrazyThomas 0]

This is typical police behavior. Rather than go after murderer and robbers, it is much easier to bust and convict us "pot-smokers".
Which bring the next question. Why do we allow POLICE OFFICERS to become skydivers? Sure, they are people too......but ingrained in their training, if they see a law broken, most will enforce.
Police typically do not have an understanding of how to behave off the job. Police have this "holier-than-thou" attitude, of if a law is broken, I should enforce.
Seriously, I ran into this problem. A cop at my training DZ ran a check on me, and asked me about a certain incident..."check person" at a certain object.....hence referred to as Elisabeth.
See, Police do not know how to interact in normal society. Police can not tolerate any laws broken, even if it is their friends and/or jumping buddies.
Personal attack on police? Well, they HAVE come after me, and checked up on me, and I do have some things to hide. So yes, it is a personal attack on me.
"The War on Drugs" was declared during the Reagan administration. So, if all you sheeple think the war on terrorism is scary, think about how long the war on drugs has been going on.
And the problem is that Uncle Sam can't figure out how to tax reefer. Else it would be legal, like tobacco.

oh....and be more careful when skydiving around police. They might get you for cloud busting also.
Thomas

p.s. I cheerfully await the people carrying handcuffs to respond. "You have the right to remain silent."

[wmw999 2,551]

Burp when they do it, or cut a really juicy fart.

Actually, it's a really tough job; unfortunately, the perks of power means that some assholes get into it. Of course, there are assholes who are teachers, ministers, and even a skydiver or two whom I don't really care for

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[phatcat 0]

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Seriously, I ran into this problem. A cop at my training DZ ran a check on me

A cop on duty, or a cop off-duty who was just jumping there?

[Kris 0]

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If you apply the same reasons for marijuana being illegal to other things, then cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal as well.

Your logic is quite flawed. Would you rather trust a loved one who needs brain surgery to be serviced by Dr. A, who just had a cigarette 30 mins before, or Dr. B, who had a joint 30 minutes before?

As for alcohol, there are laws governing its use.

Again, like others have said in this thread, if you don't like the law, do something to try to change it.

Kris
(Off to have a smoke now...)

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

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There Are plenty of people I would like to out right kill but guess what, there is a law against it and I know the consequences if I get caught. So for now drug dealers and drug users are safe.

So you want to kill all drug dealers and users? Does that include those who use nicotine, alcohol and caffiene, or just those who use illegal drugs?

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I think you should take some of your own advice. That exact statement could be used by someone opposed to the use of marijuana.

Um... what? Didn't you see where I wrote

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your opinion comes from a personal choice to not smoke weed, which is fine.

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Everybody has the right to an opinion on whether or not toking up is wrong. But I see this leading to a big debate on whether morality is subjective or objective, whether or not truth is absolute, and it's time for me to go to bed so I'll just stop now.

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Your logic is quite flawed. Would you rather trust a loved one who needs brain surgery to be serviced by Dr. A, who just had a cigarette 30 mins before, or Dr. B, who had a joint 30 minutes before?

What a scary hypothetical that has nothing to do with anything real. First of all, consider the likelyhood of a brain surgeon smoking pot before surgery. Now consider the chances of this asshole deciding not to do it because it's illegal. Well duh, if he's dumb enough to smoke pot before performing brain surgery, then he's not going to care if it's legal or not. Also, what's to stop him from having half a dozen shots of whiskey before performing surgery? Nothing. But alcohol is still legal.

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As for alcohol, there are laws governing its use.

Well, then if weed was legal then there would be laws governing it's use as well, as there should be. Any reason you give for pot being illegal can be applied to make a case that cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal as well. So go ahead and say that pot should be illegal. I respect your opinion. But be fair and say that cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal as well.

[sunman 0]

Alright! I just went from Newbie to Enthusiast! I think I'll light up a doobie to celebrate! I'm kidding, of course. Despite my opinions on the matter, I'm not a pothead.

[billvon 3,080]

Welcome to skydiving in the 21st century. We have skydivers suing skydivers, experienced jumpers suing drop zones, and now jumpers turning each other in. If anything, it's nothing new; a few people have been trying to get Roger Nelson busted for years. (After he got out from his last bust that is.)

[MC208B 0]

I think ALL drugs should be leagal, also think that ALL victimless crimes should be legal. Guess I'm going from republican to libertarian, hope they can win someday

[phatcat 0]

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We have skydivers suing skydivers, experienced jumpers suing drop zones, and now jumpers turning each other in. If anything, it's nothing new; a few people have been trying to get Roger Nelson busted for years.

I believe our God Darwin has betrayed us.

[dkpbxman 0]

In keeping with the "attack the post, not the post-er" all I can say is that that post is moronic!

[RevJim 0]

Actually dude, he wasn't very far off. The police are trained to stop crime. It doesn't matter what the crime is, petty or felony, in their eyes, it is still a crime.

That said, you will notice it's the ones on the force for a short time (around 3 years or less) that carry most of this attitude. They still have the "power trip" of being in control. They are still out to "Save the world".

Take a look at a few real veterans of the force, and you'll see the difference. Smoke a little pot at home and go to bed? Big freakin deal. Do it in public and be prepared to pay. Toss back a bunch at the bar and stagger home, or to a buddys car (a designated driver) and they will praise you. Get caught driving a car impared and your future is not looking very bright.

How do i know this? I live in a very small town, and 3 of my graduating class went into law enforcement. 2 or them are now local here, and the third quit to go into computer sales. I watched them progress from cadets to State Patrolmen busting every little infraction they saw to locals walking a beat and bullshitting with the drunks outside the bars. These same people would have, a few years ago, bordered on entrapment by waiting in the cruiser just down from the bar. Now they actually talk to the people coming out of the bar. "Hey bud, you ain't planning on driving home, are you?" "Want me to call you a cab or a buddy?"

It's amazing how things and perspectives change.

My boss, the owner of my dump truck, is a 16 year veteran of our County Sherrifs Office. He's a sergeant, and before that he was a long haul truck driver. I sat with him on a graveyard shift one night. He sits there with the radar on, in a typical 55 mph zone. Lights come over the hill and he registers 60-70 mph. He turns on his disco lights, and then turns them back off. The people usually slow right down. If not, well, they get a ticket.

Basically dude, don't bash all cops because you had a bad experience. Sure there are some overzealous ones out there, but give em time. Eventually they mellow out and/or just give up, knowing they really can't do a hell of alot.

It's your life, live it!
Karma
RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Mark,
I have about six tandems on the book for tomorrow (saturday) and around 15 for sunday. I need vidiots and meat haulers, so come on down to Raeford if you want to work. First to sign the roster gets first work.

Chuck

[rgoper 0]

the solution to all of the contraversy is quite simple, just don't do drugs or any illegal substances, and then you won't have any problem allowing anyone in law enforcement searching your property.

"Down With Dope, Up With Hope!"
The Reverand Jessie Jackson
(yes, this is satire!)

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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The jumper was then detained at the scene by the NARC and local police while a effort to obtain a search warrant was started. The jumper and police were still waiting for the warrant to arrive when I left for home at 6pm.

I wonder why, because you do not have to have a search warrant for a vehicle if you have probable cause (in this case the odor of burning marijuana) to believe there is contraband inside.

Since vehicle are "highly mobile" they have been determined, in the eyes of the court, to be exempt from the requirements for a search warrant.

I'd be interested to know what 'really' was going on...

JC

[rgoper 0]

the probable cause you mentioned could have been coming from anywhere. DA's have simply lost too many cases from complications, law enforcement has certain protocol to meet to insure a "clean bust" i once fired an employee for having weed in his car, (circa 1989) i confiscated the weed, alerted him to leave my drilling rig, next thing you know he filed a grievance with the labor board and won. in retrospect i should have called the S.O. and let them do the seisure of the contraband, arrest him and have the substance tested to make sure it was what it appeared to be. he won by the way, i was left trying to explain why i didn't handle the situation properly, and all i was trying to do was minimize his trauma, bad enough to lose your job, it would have been even worse to lose your job AND get busted. i have smelled weed on a few sky divers before, i have even seen drop zone employees (load organizers/tandem master) in possesion of weed, i've never ratted anybody out, but i do make a concious effort to avoid their loads.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[SniperCJ 0]

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Which bring the next question. Why do we allow POLICE OFFICERS to become skydivers?

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Thomas, I'm "allowed" to become a skydiver because the skydiving industry is not regulated by dopers and miscreants, but by everyday people joined by the common bond of adrenaline and fun.

Sure, they are people too......but ingrained in their training, if they see a law broken, most will enforce.

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I disagree, most, if off duty, would NOT enforce a monor violation of the law. Most stick to the 'rule' of 'if its not a felony, I'm not getting involved'. There are too many problems coupled with getting involved off duty, not the least of which is no communications, no uniform, not a full complement of equipment, etc.

Seriously, I ran into this problem. A cop at my training DZ ran a check on me, and asked me about a certain incident...

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Wow, with youre attitude!? I cant imagine...

...even if it is their friends and/or jumping buddies.

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My friends and jumping buddies know EXACTLY where I stand on certain matters and I still get invited to 'most' of the after jumping parties and such.

Personal attack on police? Well, they HAVE come after me, and checked up on me, and I do have some things to hide. So yes, it is a personal attack on me.

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Of course its a "personal attack"! You couldnt possibly be responsible for your own behavior. It MUST be the cops' fault.

oh....and be more careful when skydiving around police. They might get you for cloud busting also.

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Naaa, that's Federal...

p.s. I cheerfully await the people carrying handcuffs to respond. "You have the right to remain silent."

As do you...

JC

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CJ;

now you know the prisons are full of innocent victems right? actually it's just a place to send incorigibles to get educated and obtain law degress so they can sue us for locking them up to begin with.

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[rhino 0]

Damn.. Sounds like the child custody so called system we have in place..

[kallend 2,112]

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CJ;

now you know the prisons are full of innocent victems right? .

Well, Illinois is getting better; they've started releasing the innocent ones. (Well, only the innocent ones on Death Row, actually, since they have some sense of priority).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.