the real roots of the "peace movement"

[AndyMan 7]

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For someone who has shown themselves to be sensitive to personal attacks in the past, you sure do dish them out. I think you owe an apology for this one John.

Really? Seemed a pretty apt comparison, to me...

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[kallend 2,131]

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Sucks that you were born about 50 years too late to have been a McCarthy aide.

For someone who has shown themselves to be sensitive to personal attacks in the past, you sure do dish them out. I think you owe an apology for this one John.

The sentiments that he expressed in his first and subsequent posts in this thread are EXACTLY the ideas promulgated by Joe McCarthy and his Committee on UnAmerican Activities. EXACTLY. So why should Bodypilot be offended, I was sympathizing with him?

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[lummy 4]

Hey, Aren't you the GUY that was running for USPA regional director in the Midwest region, I think Chicago or Ohio area? Yeah, I remember now. Every time you were on AIM, you'd pop in and say HI, I'm running for regional director, VOTE for me!! I seem to recall telling you at least 5 times that I live on the west coast (SF BAy area), yet EVERY TIME I was on AIM, you would pop in and say "HI, I'm running for Regional Director, Vote for ME!!! You'd think someone would remember after the second or third time. Or maybe you were so wrapped up in your campaign that you didn't have time to look at the data and use it to target the correct voter base.

I WOULD like to applaud you on taking a very informative news story and a twisting it around to feed your rather closed minded point of view. In my opinion, the only way you could have out done yourself was to find some way to bash the French and Germans in the same sentence... How about this, maybe you could do some research and find a famous French philosopher who was also an Anarchist. Heck, that shouldn't be too much of a leap, should it?
Let's see...
Anarchists= peace marchers
french philosopher= anarchist
THEREFORE
french philosopher = peace marchers...

Why not? It's simple logic.( If A equals B and B equals C then A equals C) You labeled all peace marchers Anti capitalists and anarchists using the same equation ... I'm just helping you complete your thought process.

One wonders about the possibilities of lumping majorities into other categories based on the views of a minority.


I'm not even going to refute your Indisputable evidence. I'm not going to bother citing the same news story or other news stories about the Peace Marches in San Francisco. I won't go into the fact that the majority of peach marchers are Suburban middle class family types that are speaking out for the first time because they feel the message is a worthwhile one to stand behind.

For some reason, I get the impression that any info other than what you have already decided on is going to fall on deaf ears... Again.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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try again

[bodypilot90 0]

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So do you advocate removing their right to assembly and to freedom of speech because they don't agree with you?

no I NEVER said anything close. I was trying to let them know who is paying the bills for the peace marches.

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I see you advocate boycotting anything from Germany or France. Because they have views differing from yours?

what of the rights of the millions killed by SH. I guess sadly they don't count.

[billvon 3,096]

>no I NEVER said anything close. I was trying to let them know who
>is paying the bills for the peace marches.

Hmm, I've been to two so far. Paid for everything (flags, posters, transportation etc) myself. As far as I know, the right to peacefully assemble is guaranteed (and free) so I doubt anyone paid for my use of the street - other than through my taxes to maintain it, of course.

>what of the rights of the millions killed by SH. I guess sadly they
> don't count.

I think they count as much as the rights of the people we will kill in Iraq.

[BoobieCootie 0]

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note red flags in the photo

If it ain't the old USSR flag, then it'd be China. That's my guess. But it can't be China 'coz... Well, just take a look at Shanghai, Hong Kong, Guang Zhou. Those cities make LA look like a Flintstones episode.

[bodypilot90 0]

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Odd. I thought we'd left blatant stereotype in the past. It's unfortunate that world events cause us to throw away our principles so quickly.

if you would have bothered with the link, you would have known it was from the artical

[jraf 0]

First suggestion I wish to make: Let the Iraquis save their own children - I don't care for them that much.

Second of all: why should stop drinking my French wine, German beer. The Tucher Weizen I had last afternoon on Park Avenue in Winter Park, FL was just great. The Chateau Latour was magic. I listened to Tschaikovsky while eating a fine meal of Chilean sea bass. My loudspeakers are British, the Amp is Japanese, my CD player is US. Today I ate at a Lebanese restaurant and the tomeatoes were grown in Israel. This is my life, and I will keep it that way.

By the way if you want to boycott: stop driving your car and heating your house - the oil comes from Iraq

jraf

Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui.
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[bodypilot90 0]

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Hmm, I've been to two so far. Paid for everything (flags, posters, transportation etc) myself. As far as I know, the right to peacefully assemble is guaranteed (and free) so I doubt anyone paid for my use of the street - other than through my taxes to maintain it, of course.

permits and things like that Bill

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I think they count as much as the rights of the people we will kill in Iraq.

SH has sealed thier fate by not disarming

[billvon 3,096]

>permits and things like that Bill

Permit for use of the park doesn't cost anything in San Diego. In other cities it's generally nominal (from free to $100.)

>SH has sealed thier fate by not disarming

Right! It will be him who, on the day we start bombing, kills all those people then makes it look like it was a US bomb that killed them. That clever propagandist!

The reality is we will drop hundreds of bombs on a populated city. Tens of thousands will die because we will kill them with our bombs. To pretend otherwise is to believe in the saturday morning cartoon version of war, a war where only bad people die and where all the children are liberated from an evil dictator rather than blown to bloody ribbons. Accept what we are about to do, rather than make excuses to protect your illusions of moral superiority.

[bodypilot90 0]

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And I mean not just the French and the Germans but every Country that is against the war will ban US products?! And not just Products but also Securities and everything else that is US denominated?

You act like a this is a large number, it's not.

[bodypilot90 0]

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The reality is we will drop hundreds of bombs on a populated city. Tens of thousands will die because we will kill them with our bombs. To pretend otherwise is to believe in the saturday morning cartoon version of war, a war where only bad people die and where all the children are liberated from an evil dictator rather than blown to bloody ribbons. Accept what we are about to do, rather than make excuses to protect your illusions of moral superiority.

your illusions is that life is somehow fair, it's not. Let's look at the facts.

1. SH will never disarm except under force.
2. He is a threat to the worlds security
3. He has and will continue to murder millions.
4 He has the abilty to sell WMD to anyone
5. He helped train at least some of the 9-11 murders
6 the french has been selling Iraq supplies to make WMD (the french admitted this today) I'll supply the link tomorrow.

7 Iraq wants to be rid of him. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/rubin/rubingettough.htm

yes lives will be lost. I am sorry for that. I'm glad we bombed Japan to shorten the war, I wish we didn't have to but it saved lives in the long run

[bodypilot90 0]

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It appears that as is typical, the protest movement has been hijacked.

it always has been!

[bodypilot90 0]

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And this French/German boycott doesn't make much sense to me. If you think it does, better get rid of your Cypres.

depends if your paying in us$ or euros?
I'd even take pounds

[bodypilot90 0]

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Sucks that you were born about 50 years too late to have been a McCarthy aide.

if i was I'd come for you COMRAD J/K ok

[bodypilot90 0]

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Hey, Aren't you the GUY that was running for USPA regional director in the Midwest region, I think Chicago or Ohio area? Yeah, I remember now. Every time you were on AIM, you'd pop in and say HI, I'm running for regional director, VOTE for me!! I seem to recall telling you at least 5 times that I live on the west coast (SF BAy area), yet EVERY TIME I was on AIM, you would pop in and say "HI, I'm running for Regional Director, Vote for ME!!! You'd think someone would remember after the second or third time. Or maybe you were so wrapped up in your campaign that you didn't have time to look at the data and use it to target the correct voter base.

I was running for ND however My Dad came down with MDS. I felt it was unfair to my family and the members to split my time. I hope this helps you remember.

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I WOULD like to applaud you on taking a very informative news story and a twisting it around to feed your rather closed minded point of view

show me where I twisted anything...

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I'm not even going to refute your Indisputable evidence. I'm not going to bother citing the same news story or other news stories about the Peace Marches in San Francisco. I won't go into the fact that the majority of peach marchers are Suburban middle class family types that are speaking out for the first time because they feel the message is a worthwhile one to stand behind.

if you would read what I said I never claimed they all were commies. the support for NOT IN OUR NAME and others like it are funded by them. Maybe Bill Von can help you sort it all out

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For some reason, I get the impression that any info other than what you have already decided on is going to fall on deaf ears... Again.

it seems your ears are the deaf ones. your mind is closed. sorry for you

[lummy 4]

Ok, please quote from the article where is states that NOT in OUR NAME is funded or even ORGANIZED for that matter by the splinter groups (AKA anarchists).

HERE, let me help you and post the original article

and YES, I DID read the article.

How did you twist things around? Let's see, you have made MANY references about the real roots of the peace marches coming from anti capitalists, Let's see, you wrote, and I quote

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"What's wrong with this is the notion that the anarchists are a splinter group of the anti-war group. They're one and the same, folks. They're all motivated by an anti-capitalist platform when you get down to the root of it all.

Seems like a rather large twist in your lineset there bud. The article was in fact about the fact that it is very frustrating for activists because of rogue, leaderless splinter groups that are causing havok. No where did it mention that they are one in the same.
AS a matter of fact, I recall it mentioning that some of the organizers have been threatened by these nihilists... Yeah, that makes sense. Let's threaten our organizer so we can march for peace

Better yet, you change your position today and write

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if you would read what I said I never claimed they all were commies. the support for NOT IN OUR NAME and others like it are funded by them. Maybe Bill Von can help you sort it all out

Which are we? Commies? or Anarchists? Anti capitalists? Anti American?
Make up your mind

THen it was regional director, now it's National. You change your stories so frequently, who knows which is the truth.

I am done for now, since I need to go home and be with family

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[bodypilot90 0]

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the oil comes from Iraq

yea but soon it'll come from a free Iraq!

[Jimbo 0]

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THen it was regional director, now it's National. You change your stories so frequently, who knows which is the truth.

Yo. Check it: Google knows the truth or try here if you think the first was an isolated thread.

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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[bodypilot90 0]

thanks jimbo.

does lummy seem hostile, or is it just me? I will address his post tomorrow. Seems he's a bit confused.

[billvon 3,096]

>your illusions is that life is somehow fair, it's not.

Life is not fair and never will be. I had hoped that the US would be one of the countries that tried to make it more fair. It's an impossible goal but one worth striving for.

>1. SH will never disarm except under force.

He has proven he will begin to disarm under threat of force; therefore your statement is false.

>2. He is a threat to the worlds security

I agree with you there.

>3. He has and will continue to murder millions.

Nope! The US has killed far, far more people than Hussein; he isn't even close to the multi-million mark. I'd be fascinated if you could produce the numbers, though, that show he killed even two million. (Yes, we had better reasons for killing than he did.)

>4 He has the abilty to sell WMD to anyone

Quite true, although he can't sell nuclear weapons he doesn't have.

>5. He helped train at least some of the 9-11 murders

Bzzt! Sorry, no evidence there that he trained the 9/11 terrorists, just that someone in his government ran a terrorist camp with an airplane fuselage in it. There has as of yet been no trail linking any of the 9/11 terrorists back to Iraq despite over a year of searching by the world's top intelligence organization. There may be in the future, but it's not here yet.

>6 the french has been selling Iraq supplies to make WMD (the
> french admitted this today) I'll supply the link tomorrow.

US companies have sold him chemical weapon precursors, anthrax cultures and nuclear bomb triggers. So sorry, that's not much of a justification.

>7 Iraq wants to be rid of him.

The people of Liberia, Pakistan, Venezuela and Zaire also want to be rid of their leaders. Heck, many people in the UK want to be rid of Blair - are we invading the UK next?

Well, you're two for seven, not bad for a pro-war guy. I'd even give you 50% on the 9/11 terrorist training thing. Honestly, that's better than many other people I've had this discussion with.,

We will certainly have to use the military to disarm Iraq. It will likely take military action rather than just threats. I disagree that that action has to happen before next weekend, and I disagree that Iraq has to obey the UN but the US doesn't have to.

[billvon 3,096]

>if you would read what I said I never claimed they all were commies.
>the support for NOT IN OUR NAME and others like it are funded by them.
> Maybe Bill Von can help you sort it all out.

Sure, no problem. Many groups are funded by hidden sources; large and well funded activist groups, whether pro-war or anti-war are particularly suspect. Peace marches/rallies where large groups just march to protest the war are generally not funded by any such group and thus simply represent what a lot of people want to say.

[Iflyme 0]

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no I NEVER said anything close.

Agreed... I was drawing a conclusion ...

Now my Prime Minister has said that Canada will not support military action in Iraq without UN approval ... are we next on your boycott list?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Sucks that you were born about 50 years too late to have been a McCarthy aide.

For someone who has shown themselves to be sensitive to personal attacks in the past, you sure do dish them out. I think you owe an apology for this one John.

The sentiments that he expressed in his first and subsequent posts in this thread are EXACTLY the ideas promulgated by Joe McCarthy and his Committee on UnAmerican Activities. EXACTLY. So why should Bodypilot be offended, I was sympathizing with him?

I see, as long as YOU can justify your attack, it's O.K.? I will remember what you said. The next time you are belching your left-wing babble and it reminds us of Stalin, we will be justified in personally attacking you in the same way?