BlueSkiesKel 0 #1 March 18, 2003 wow, what a speech huh?! scary thoughts, but definitely what needed to be done... i guess now we'll just all wait and see huh... a lot of my friends on ships left on patrols this morning, i guess i should have guessed something was up last nite when they told me they were getting underway, any one else think its gonna be crazy the next couple days? my thoughts and prayers go out to all the troops and sailors out there "honor, respect, devotion to duty" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #2 March 18, 2003 I thought it was a great speech too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skr 1 #3 March 18, 2003 > wow, what a speech huh?! scary thoughts My scary thoughts are that he looked like some kind of drugged robot struggling to keep up with the teleprompter. I just don't understand how these weapons of mass distraction work. We have a planetary ecology in shambles, a population out of control, climate change to the point where the north polar ice cap will be gone in a few decades, global corporations taking over nation-state governments, treaties and alliances decades old being abandoned, America sliding towards a police state mentality with half the population apparently all for it, a new doctrine of preemptive first strike, an economy falling apart with crooks at every turn, a health care system that would shame a third world country ... And while Bush & Cheney & Company are pushing policies to take us even further in this direction, they've somehow gotten the world focused on Iraq. Iraq is a mess, but in this context it is just a weapon of mass distraction. For years I voted against the Republicans by checking Democrat boxes but I'm so pissed at how the Democrats aren't doing shit that I'm voting for Jesse Ventura or Robin Williams or somebody next time. Skr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #4 March 18, 2003 Quotethe north polar ice cap will be gone in a few decades To demonstrate the possible effects of this, fill a glass with some water, add an ice cube (making sure that it is floats) take a measurement of the water's depth, allow the ice cube to melt, take a new measurement. See any difference? FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoby 0 #5 March 18, 2003 QuoteTo demonstrate the possible effects of this, fill a glass with some water, add an ice cube (making sure that it is floats) take a measurement of the water's depth, allow the ice cube to melt, take a new measurement. See any difference? Right, and yet so wrong... While this is true of ice at the Arctic, the Antarctic ice cap is on land. When it melts, the seas will rise notably. On the upside, Florida will be underwater, so the Republicans will need a new way to steal elections... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #6 March 18, 2003 "See any difference?" A bit of a misconception there Fallrate, as you correctly point out, he sea locked ice will not change the immediate sea levels noticably, if at all. Its the land locked ice, ie the icecaps over Greenland etc that may add to the volume of the sea, and may increase its immediate levels. But even that isn't considered the most significant effect, which will be caused by changing the way water circulates around the globe. Example El Nino years. The polar ice caps drive the water currents around the globe, these in turn determine weather patterns which, when they change, will cause the most significant effects. And we (well I don't anyways) still don't fully understand the nature or scale of these effects. EG consider the Gulf stream changing direction, cold water is now drawn down from the arctic circle, dramatically changing the weather on the Eastern seaboard of the US, and perhaps even lowering the sea level in the Gulf region, which may cause drought in the Mississippi /Texas/Mexico areas... Like I said earlier, its all pretty much conjecture, but rest assured, climate change will affect us all one way or another, sooner or later. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #7 March 18, 2003 What kills me is all the talk of global warming, but of corse it is going to warm... we are technically still in an ice age, and are coming out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 March 18, 2003 My point is, its not necessarily the warming, or the cooling, but the change that may take us by surprise. For we know not what we are fucking with.... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #9 March 18, 2003 Quote What kills me is all the talk of global warming, but of corse it is going to warm... we are technically still in an ice age, and are coming out of it. and that it would have happened one way or another, but don't go yanking platforms out from under people who really really need to be heard (said their therapists) I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #10 March 19, 2003 Quote Right, and yet so wrong... The Antarctic was not mentioned. But it is surprising how many individuals believe that should the northern ice cap melt, the world will be under water. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 March 19, 2003 As a former marine biologist, I took a course in coastal geology. As I understand it, the changes in coastal geology (in terms of what is & is not above sea level) will be predominantly changed by thermal expansion of the ocean which is already liquid, not by melting of ice caps. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #12 March 19, 2003 QuoteQuotethe north polar ice cap will be gone in a few decades To demonstrate the possible effects of this, fill a glass with some water, add an ice cube (making sure that it is floats) take a measurement of the water's depth, allow the ice cube to melt, take a new measurement. See any difference? FallRate You wrote "effects" (plural) yet described one "no effect" effect. What about change in albedo, climate change, salinity effects, effects on marine life and fisheries...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
