flyingferret 0 #76 March 20, 2003 Patriot missiles working: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/20/sprj.irq.kuwait.rockets/index.html Aircraft in the airhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/20/otsc.irq.phillips/index.html Spec Ops acknowledged on the ground-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #77 March 20, 2003 QuoteAll of you liberals make it sound like we are attacking the people and trying to wipe them out. LOL WTF ? This is to get Saddam out of there and set up something where they can live with some freedom Incidentally to our deciding that we are the ones who should eject their leader when we feel like it, a number of Iraqi civilians will be killed. Regardless of whether we meant to or not, they'll be just as dead. The issue isn't whether Saddam Hussein is a good leader, good man, or closely related to whoever. It's whether the US really should take on a role as world policeman and general head honcho. I'm really hoping that pride doesn't go before a fall here. Just as we're strong, there's a natural human instinct to pit yourself against the strongest guy out there. So now we're it. Man, I can hardly wait. Eventually, someone always beats that strongest guy. Maybe not in my lifetime, but I have a son. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #78 March 20, 2003 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke I would think that our path over the last 2 decades would have adequately illustrated the above quote. Inaction has secured us this lovely quandry we know face. Life on Earth dangerous, no where is it written that everyone should live.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #79 March 20, 2003 QuotePatriot missiles workingHey the article says that the Patriots hit & destroyed the Iraqi missiles. But they told us that back in '91 & it was revealed later that the Patriots weren't accurate enough to actually do that. So are we getting the truth or bullshit right now? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #80 March 20, 2003 Well back in '91, cruise missile required a 3-d topo map that required days to construct. Now they take GPS coords and have 15 alternate targets that can be selected mid-flight. Back in '91 the f-117 was not known to exist. My guess is that there is some badarse weapons for this one, that we may not even be aware of. Update: the oil fields are ablaze http://www.foxnews.com/-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #81 March 20, 2003 QuoteWell back in '91, cruise missile required a 3-d topo map that required days to construct. Now they take GPS coords and have 15 alternate targets that can be selected mid-flight OK (maybe I don't know s^&t) but aren't these things only good for hitting targets on the ground (not flying missiles) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #82 March 20, 2003 Yes, you are correct. I was just using that as an example of just how far the weapons have come in a decade. Edit: In fact last nights strike would not have been possible in '91 because the requirement to build a targeting map. Last night the coords were loaded from Langley to the missile, and sent airborne. Even the f-117 pilots had a very minimalist briefing. I think it is actually pretty cool to see the bureacracy moving that quickly.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #83 March 20, 2003 Well... either we kill a few while taking out Saddam and making it better there for generations to come or we just leave Saddam in to kill whomever he wants for having opinions. This trend will continue (even worse) with his psycho sons. Yes... we're the strongest. We have been for a long time.http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #84 March 20, 2003 Chem suits being donned bio/chem attack allegedly 'imminent' http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61288-2003Mar20.html-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #85 March 20, 2003 Perhaps a short visit to Amnesty International is in order to help round out your perspective a little. http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countries/iraq?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30&Expandall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #86 March 20, 2003 >Yes... we're the strongest. We have been for a long time. Only about 60 years. WW2 was the turning point. I'm sure the Roman's, Greeks' and egyptians all said the same thing too Our efforts in Afganistan have put warlords back into control in areas directly outside the cities. I'm not sure that was the best thing that could have been done there. If the Kurds break off of Iraq and try to form a new county with the Kurds from Turkey that is another civil war that will start, and Turkey still has some US missles sitting in its boaders that can be stolen in a revolt. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #87 March 20, 2003 Intel indicates that there is a lack of communication and coordination from high-ranking officers to the battelfield. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61791-2003Mar20.html Strike may be the cause, perhaps officers/Saddam dead. Intel still being evaluated. http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #88 March 20, 2003 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=407579#407579 Interesting postgame strategy-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #89 March 20, 2003 >Well... either we kill a few while taking out Saddam and making it >better there for generations to come or we just leave Saddam in to > kill whomever he wants for having opinions. This trend will continue > (even worse) with his psycho sons. Uday yes; the guy is insane. That's both good and bad. He wouldn't last a year without Dad's protection. Qusay is considerably smarter, and could be a real threat. >Yes... we're the strongest. We have been for a long time. And we will be in the near future. But we won't always be. On the day when another superpower rises, we will be praying for a strong UN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jannu 0 #90 March 20, 2003 A sad day... who are you guys gonna attack next? How 'bout disarming your country? Why are other countries not allowed to have weapons of mass destruction except US&UK ? hmmm makes me wonder. Yeah... a flame bait I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #91 March 20, 2003 >Why are other countries not allowed to have weapons of mass > destruction except US&UK ? The following countries have nuclear weapons: US UK France Pakistan India China Russia Israel North Korea (likely) Iran (soon) The following countries gave them up/agreed to abandon development: Argentina Brazil South Africa Ukraine Kazakhstan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #92 March 20, 2003 US Forces (edit: near) capture Basra http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=339432003 Turkey okays use of airspace http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=339432003-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #93 March 20, 2003 Since you all seem to quote the supreme being, so will I: May God continue punishing all those supporting any war, as he has already started by taking their brains away. God's wrath on them!! May God not forget all the fallen ones, cause he has obviously left them to perish May God support us in helping all the victims of war he chose to abandon All those boastfull war supporters who are not in active service and don't have closest family members in the area should now shut up. It is very easy to be a hero while sitting on your living room couch. You have nothing to say till you go there yourself. Warmest feelings to all those who's family members are there. Good luck, I'll keep my fingers crossed.jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #94 March 20, 2003 Nice pic of pilots They seem very distraught Thanks, boys! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/iraq/010403armedforces&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=1&a=0 -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #95 March 20, 2003 QuoteHow 'bout disarming your country? Why are other countries not allowed to have weapons of mass destruction except US&UK ? hmmm makes me wonder. OK, for the 1,657 th time: the us, uk, france etc. are not required to disarm. iraq is. It was a specific condition of the ceasefire of 1991. Disclaimer: I objected to this war too, but I don't go along with people who say "well if Iraq is required to disarm, so should everyone else." People who say that are displaying their ignorance of history. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jannu 0 #96 March 20, 2003 Billvon.. yeah I know. Sorry about the generalization (spelling really bad.. ). What I meant is.. for as long as there are these weapons (be it any country at all) it's quite strange to use this as one of the reasons to attack this country (Iraq)... I really hope there will be no casualities, guess there already are, no civilian nor military. Ahhh.. I don't know how to explain... Well, many of you know what I mean. BTW... how many of you 'pro-war' people have ever left your country? I get this silly feeling after reading many of the earlier posts in this thread. Nothing personal though, I still think everyone has a right to express their thoughts... peace & love ps. I really wish you americans and british safe living in the next months... I'm quite sure there will be a lot of attempted (terrorist?) attacks against you. There's no way to stop these by starting a new war everytime someone from a different country does something... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12bhi 0 #97 March 20, 2003 I dont see how being dead= freedom...Very confusing post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jraf 0 #98 March 20, 2003 Quote I dont see how being dead= freedom...Very confusing post When you are dead you are ultimately free. The point is I preffer to make that choice myself. I bet you all those who die in this conflict agree with mejraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #99 March 20, 2003 QuoteAll those boastfull war supporters who are not in active service and don't have closest family members in the area should now shut up. It is very easy to be a hero while sitting on your living room couch. You have nothing to say till you go there yourself. i echo your sentiments. anyone who thinks it's fun, funny, or victorious should have came over by now. i can tell you, firsthand, it's not funny and it's not pretty. and it's highly unlikely that the rest of the guys and myself will be able to leave the country when we are supposed to.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #100 March 20, 2003 >for as long as there are these weapons (be it any country at all) it's > quite strange to use this as one of the reasons to attack this >country (Iraq)... I think you have to look at two things: 1. the weapons they have 2. how likely they are to use them Comparing Iraq to France doesn't make too much sense, since the French don't regularly attack other countries, and are not involved in a jihad to destroy Israel (or any other country.) Hussein does have a record of attacking other countries, he has a record of trying to build nuclear weapons (and failing, fortunately) and has a record of using WMD's. To me, that means he has to be disarmed. I'm not sure I agree that immediate war is the right way to do it, but I understand the reasoning behind disarmament. Now, compare Iraq to North Korea and you have a better analogy. I can't understand why we are happy to essentially ignore North Korea, which is a much greater threat to us than Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
