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JackC

explaining war to a peacenik

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>Yah you are right Bill, but what would you say that this guy was
> minding his own business and you popped him . . .

Of course not! You have to make stuff up to make it look like he's the bad guy, so other people think that _you're_ actually in the right for attacking him. You could claim he had a weapon, for example, and was threatening you. Or you could claim that he was really a terrorist; everyone hates terrorists. I agree that that's the best way to get the cop (and people in general) to support your decision to attack him.

But now for the $64,000 question - is that right? Is the world a better place if you go around popping people in the mouth and then lying about it? Even if you can get away with it because you're the biggest guy around?

>Need I remind you that the initial statement was hypothetical?

It was a most excellent hypothetical situation.

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But now for the $64,000 question - is that right? Is the world a better place if you go around popping people in the mouth and then lying about it? Even if you can get away with it because you're the biggest guy around?

It depends do I have to work with this person all day or,,,,,,,,,Just kidding.

If the peacenik is simply verbalizing his or her Ideas then no, we fight hard for the niks right to do just that. Regardless of how bad we want to.
If the nik was involved directly or indirectly alone or through organizations that tend to promote radical ideology and directly support people or persons that by either acts of sabotage or terror promote those ideas or Ideology. Then yes it is right. Getting held for the cops was just bad planing skills. Glen

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>If the nik was involved directly or indirectly alone or through
> organizations that tend to promote radical ideology and directly
> support people or persons that by either acts of sabotage or terror
> promote those ideas or Ideology. Then yes it is right. Getting held
>for the cops was just bad planing skills.

Well, at least you had the guts to admit it's OK to lie about doing it, as long as you _think_ they're bad. Suffice it to say that I disagree, that a policy based on lying as a political tool is a poor one.

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Well, at least you had the guts to admit it's OK to lie about doing it, as long as you _think_ they're bad. Suffice it to say that I disagree, that a policy based on lying as a political tool is a poor one.



Oh no Bill you misunderstood me. In the second scenario I wouldn't lie about it. I would claim it, wear it on me sleeve, be proud of it. They would make me a hero, give me medals, erect statues of me holding scimitars whacking saboteur peaceniks across the nose with the flat side of it. All would rejoice no?
I agree with you and maintain lying is bad UNLESS you are going to get mercilessly cornholed in the slammer. The real $64,000 question is do you ? Glen

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If the nik was involved directly or indirectly alone or through organizations that tend to promote radical ideology and directly support people or persons that by either acts of sabotage or terror promote those ideas or Ideology. Then yes it is right.



Since every single person in the US is probably involved in some way or another with some organization that can be considered as promoting or linked to terrorism directly or indirectly, well, that's a pretty broad statement.

Think you're not included? Well, if you're against abortion, there are abortionists who feel it's OK to bomb clinics. That's terrorism. If you're Catholic, I'm sure that someone in a church you've gone to has given to the IRA.

Think that's tenuous? Well, no more tenuous than some of the "links" to terrorism which have been brought forward in the peace movement here.

If something is fair and true in one direction, it probably is in the other one, too.

Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Since every single person in the US is probably involved in some way or another with some organization that can be considered as promoting or linked to terrorism directly or indirectly, well, that's a pretty broad statement.

Think you're not included? Well, if you're against abortion, there are abortionists who feel it's OK to bomb clinics. That's terrorism. [ agreed. I'm Not against it and also do my part by not needlessly knocking up women that don't deserve it ] If you're Catholic, I'm sure that someone in a church you've gone to has given to the IRA. [ am not, don't go, don't give and will stop drinking guiness if it can be prooven any connection to IRA ]

Actually not part of any organization other than skydivers for more altitude. Fraid to be, they will want my money and other servitude. Just go to work and pay taxes to feed the coffers of the illuminiety and tri-latteralists so they can........ oh no does this implicate me? I'm busted? Glen

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