jmpnkramer 0 #1 March 31, 2003 Ya'll might have seen this. I am not sure how old it is. But I thought I would post it to make sure. Enjoy!!!! With all of this talk of impending war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001, and those who support terror. These activists may be alone or in a gathering.....most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette: * 1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian. * 2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose. * 3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful. * 4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying. * 5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct. * 6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose. * 7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making. * 8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost. * We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit in the nose. * Lesson over, class dismissed. Now go find you a Peace Activist!!!!!! The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #2 March 31, 2003 >In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in >the nose. >When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry >and they may try to hit you, so be careful. If this happens, and you are a _war_ protester, then the next thing to do is to find the mother of the person who hit you and kill them. Then explain that killing their mother will stop them from thinking about hitting you again. If they disagree, kill someone else's mother. Explain that they will not even think about hitting you now - indeed, they will thank you for "liberating" them. This way they will understand that killing brings peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #3 March 31, 2003 Judging from Bill's comment above... Some people just never get it. I am with you on this one buddy!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 March 31, 2003 Those that aren't yet convinced, are the unconvinceable.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #5 March 31, 2003 >Judging from Bill's comment above... Some people just never get it. If only the world were as simple as you think it is. Israel would be at peace, Vietnam would be another Japan, and we would have executed Bin Laden. The Iraqis would be laying down their arms and dancing in the streets as we liberate them. Unfortunately the world sometimes resists our attempts to explain it in neat little anecdotes and snappy sayings. "Let's kick some ass!" as a general policy doesn't always work in the real world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 March 31, 2003 QuoteThose that aren't yet convinced, are the unconvinceable. Probably true. Of course, that does work both ways, even when it's unfashionable. Maybe you can beat it into us (and I really don't mean you personally, Gawain). I still don't see what's irrelevant and stupid about seeing going to war as a sign of failure of diplomacy, rather than as an opportunity to kick some butt. But punch me without provocation, and I'll either punch back, call someone for help, or, if you look like enough of an asshole to see my responding in kind as an opportunity to beat the shit out of me, yes, I'll just take it, and know more about exactly what kind of person you are. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #7 March 31, 2003 What troubles me bill is this "Failed Diplomacy" BS. Do you really believe that war was not an option? 12 years of diplomacy got us no where. There is a reason we do not negotiate with terrorist... By nature it doesn't work. SH wasn't going to take himself out of power, and I am sorry to say 200,000 inspectors weren't going to do the trick either. War is hell, and no one likes it. Including me. But, when push comes to shove I will push back before pushed again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #8 March 31, 2003 I thought it was interesting how a lot of these "peace protests" around the world turned violent. Probly cuz THE MAN was trying to keep em down though, not that they're hypocrites.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #9 March 31, 2003 >Do you really believe that war was not an option? War is always an option; I just think it should be the last option, not the one you take when diplomacy turns very difficult. >SH wasn't going to take himself out of power, and I am sorry to say >200,000 inspectors weren't going to do the trick either. I agree. But by putting those inspectors there we would have determined what he had one way or another, and at least we'd be going to war based on what we know rather than what we guess. We'd also have the support of the world, rather than the support of a handful of countries. I think that's important, and will become more so in the days ahead. >But, when push comes to shove I will push back before pushed again. When did SH push us the first time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #10 March 31, 2003 Quote Quote Those that aren't yet convinced, are the unconvinceable. Probably true. Of course, that does work both ways, even when it's unfashionable. Maybe you can beat it into us (and I really don't mean you personally, Gawain). I still don't see what's irrelevant and stupid about seeing going to war as a sign of failure of diplomacy, rather than as an opportunity to kick some butt. But punch me without provocation, and I'll either punch back, call someone for help, or, if you look like enough of an asshole to see my responding in kind as an opportunity to beat the shit out of me, yes, I'll just take it, and know more about exactly what kind of person you are. The President acknowledged that diplomacy failed. Several countries and officials from all over acknowledge that. Unfortunate, yes. At issue, no. As for your final paragraph, there's another item to consider too. There are many women that arm themselves with mace or pepper spray which they hold in their hand when they leave the office or home on the way to their car or whereever. If I was in the area, on a cold evening, in a long overcoat, might a person perceive that as a threat and spray me (dark figure, dark area, not many people, etc.). Not the best example, but you know what I mean. The world would not need to be convinced that the would-be victim acted in his/her best interests when they sprayed the mace to pre-emptively defend themself. Yet, up through that moment, they didn't know what the motive or intent of the "dark-figure"... Something like that... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #11 March 31, 2003 "Failed diplomacy" could be the correct phrase. Negotiations of any type are based on good faith. If one side continually makes agreements and then breaks them, diplomacy does fail. After SH invaded Kuwait and the coalition was on his border, he agreed to UN inspectors with no reservations. It got him out of hot water. Then, for 12 years, he has tried to limit their access and get around the agreement. He went to the UN and wanted to trade oil for humanitarian needs. Then, his personal fortune expanded to an estimated $7 billion (billion!). He built palaces with an estimated total price tag of $2 billion. He made an agreement and did something else. His 800 acre palaces had 50ft waterfalls while his people did not have drinkable water. The disease and death rate among his people soared because of his choices. The SH method of diplomacy is "say whatever is necessary, then do whatever I want". He hasn't kept his side of these agreements. He has caused diplomacy to fail. He is able to stall action into inaction by saying that he would like to "negotiate" further. He must laugh and laugh that the UN has allowed it for this many years. If the UN used "diplomacy" for another 30 years, it would continue to fail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #12 March 31, 2003 I want to add what Bill says here: Waiting and giving the inspectors more time sounds very diplomatic on the surface. However, I must think about the women who are being raped, the men who are being tortured and the children who are starving while their leader is thriving. How do we ask these people to wait and give the inspectors more time? Now some may say that war will just kill these people. While noone wants that to happen, I would venture to guess that many of these people may think death is better than what they are going through.Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #13 March 31, 2003 Quote I agree. But by putting those inspectors there we would have determined what he had one way or another, and at least we'd be going to war based on what we know rather than what we guess. We'd also have the support of the world, rather than the support of a handful of countries. I think that's important, and will become more so in the days ahead. Quote Hi Bill, Personaly I always understood the the UN Weapons Inspectorate's function was NOT to find Iraq's WMD's, only to supervise and confirm their destruction. Up to 1995, the UNWI was (in the absence of their stated aim of confirming the WMD destruction) actually conducting an active investigation to establish the existence of WMD and locate same. In the face of their being frustrated in this endeavour (every time they got close to a result that furthered their stated aim and embarrassed the Iraqi government) they withdrew. Perhaps an understanding of the Arab culture is missing: an enjoyment of haggling, talking, doing something they don't want to do in a not doing it way while seeming to want to do it (that doesn't come out well - but when an Arab doesn't want to do something, they'll happily talk about it as an alternative to actually doing it... Who said we were that differentI personally view this war, police action, whatever, as an acceleration of the inevitable, it was more a case of WHEN western patience would end... In the meantime, history as written in 15 and 50 years will show the wisdom or otherwise of Bush & Blair's actions, just as what's being written now is starting to judge Churchill's wisdom in refusing Germany's peace proposals of 1940. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgross 1 #14 April 1, 2003 I like it!! PS- Nice sig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #15 April 1, 2003 >Now some may say that war will just kill these people. While noone > wants that to happen, I would venture to guess that many of these > people may think death is better than what they are going through. That may be true, but it's just not our decision to make. Surely if death is better than living under Hussein, they always have had that option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
