Bridle attachment point on reserve

[nigel99 612]

I want to get a low cost 170 reserve (ideally a tempo) and put 10 to 20 jumps (hop and pops)on it, so that I get familiar with my reserves flight characteristics.

Is adding a bridle attachment point something a rigger can do without having to replace an entire panel?

Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[PhreeZone 20]

That would actually take a master rigger as it would be an alteration and the paperwork here in the US would require FAA approval since it is a different design than the canopy was approved as.


You might want to look for an older Raven reserve. They already have the bridle attachment sewn in.

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[piisfish 140]

well the canopy would not be a certificated parachute anymore. Would it still take a master rigger ? Or just anyone with minimal sewing skills ?

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[wmw999 2,583]

Since Nigel is in Australia, it would take whatever Australia requires.

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[skybytch 273]

Super Ravens have a bridle attachment already on them. Not exactly the same flight characteristics as a Tempo, but they are cheap on the used market.

[Squeak 17]

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I want to get a low cost 170 reserve (ideally a tempo) and put 10 to 20 jumps (hop and pops)on it, so that I get familiar with my reserves flight characteristics.

Is adding a bridle attachment point something a rigger can do without having to replace an entire panel?

Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Nigel when you are next up at York, ask me about this. We can sort you out with something that will work

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[sundevil777 102]

Perhaps removing the data panel would make the canopy no longer usable for a reserve, so that anyone could do anything you want to it.

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[peek 21]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

That would be a good idea. You might need to get a rigger to fix you something up like that, but the advantage would be that a number of people could use it to learn more about reserves.

However, I would not put more that "a few" jumps on a reserve. You might find that riggers will not want to pack it as a reserve with that many jumps on it.

Another possibility if you are going to only make a few jumps on it is to use a regular deployment bag, hand-deploy pilot chute, and closing pin on the bridle, and expect to have to go fetch the bag and pilot chute each jump because it will not be connected to the canopy.

[pchapman 279]

Or one could tie the bag on to a line like a removable RDS.

Those things aren't entirely snag free, and stowing is an issue if attached to a non-removable slider. But something could be sewn up so that it the bag & line can be removed from the slider.

It sounds like Nigel wants a reserve that's cheap enough to be taken out of service as a reserve -- find an old canopy in that case.

[piisfish 140]

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Another possibility if you are going to only make a few jumps on it is to use a regular deployment bag, hand-deploy pilot chute, and closing pin on the bridle, and expect to have to go fetch the bag and pilot chute each jump because it will not be connected to the canopy.

can you say RSL ??

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[nigel99 612]

Thanks squeak. I'll be out in the next week or two.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[nigel99 612]

Exactly. Here reserves have a service life and I can pick up a reserve for a couple of hundred bucks. There is no need for it to go back into service and it could potentially be used for intentional water jumps and stuff.

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[Deyan 36]

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well the canopy would not be a certificated parachute anymore. Would it still take a master rigger ? Or just anyone with minimal sewing skills ?

"A senior parachute rigger
may pack, as well as maintain, a parachute by making
minor repairs. A master parachute rigger has all the privileges
of the lesser certificate plus the ability to make
major repairs and alter parachutes according to
approved data."

Adding a bridle att. point to a canopy is an alteration.

Those are the rules according to the FAA. Different places, different rules.

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[sundevil777 102]

If a person removes the data panel, wouldn't that make it no longer a reserve?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Deyan 36]

Yes, it will void the TSO.
But I don't want to start the never ending discussion about "who can do what"on a non certified gear

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[JerryBaumchen 1,461]

Hi Nigel,

Lots of info; some appropriate, some not.

You are in Australia, do what you need to do.

I would recommend getting a couple of other folks who want to do the same thing, split the cost of the canopy & the work to set it up. Then go have fun.

IMO it will no longer meet the certification req'ments, but who cares?

If the canopy gets some damage, who cares?

Go have fun; and let us know what you did and how it worked.

JerryBaumchen

PS) I have a very old Raven I with lots of jumps, if anyone wants to do the same here in the USA, let me know. It might just be enlightening for some folks.

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[mjosparky 4]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Direct bag deployment on a ram air is not a good idea.

Sparky

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[sundevil777 102]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Direct bag deployment on a ram air is not a good idea.

Sparky

It was used by all students for years at a DZ I frequented. I can't remember any mals.

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[theonlyski 8]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Direct bag deployment on a ram air is not a good idea.

Sparky

Isn't there an MC-5/6 variant that's SL (direct bag)?

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[hodges 4]

I'd be interested to hear why...

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Direct bag deployment on a ram air is not a good idea.

Sparky

A bunch of others have asked, and I'll ask too.

Why not?

All the S/L rigs at my old dz were direct bag. Including a couple of Wings that were purchased new in 03. 288 Mantas (F-111) in all of them.

The only downside that I know of is pretty predictable line twists.

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[sundevil777 102]

My memory is that all the S/L rigs were roll packed. The canopies/lines did get "arched" a lot during deployment, maybe a roll pack is good to delay the opening a bit - a pro pack might not be the best for direct bag.

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[dragon2 2]

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Another fun option would be to borrow a static line rig that has a direct bag deployment and use that - but as not many people do SL anymore that may not be possible.

Direct bag deployment on a ram air is not a good idea.

Sparky

Another "why not?" from me.

We do a good number of square direct bag SL jumps here in The Netherlands every year.

There is no other method allowed for (square) SL here, it has to be direct bag.

The one drawback for direct bag is the high chance (I think we run 3/5) of linetwists.

On our DZ (I think we do the most SL jumps here yearly) the SL canopies are pro-packed, I think on one or more of the smaller DZs they are flatpacked but don't hold me to that.

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Saskia

[mjosparky 4]

It has been my experience that using direct bag on ram airs causes erratic opening (line twists, line over) and damage to the top skin. YMMV.

Sparky

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