meatmissile 0 #1 April 7, 2003 Once upon a time long, long ago, I was sitting in a club with some friends. It was a pretty rowdy crowd that evening - mostly students like myself. A few tables away there was this really obnoxious guy, throwing insults around, offensively jeering at any girls that walked past. He was quite a big guy, so nobody tried to get him to tone it down. We were all just trying to have a good time with our friends. Suddenly, a really huge man stood up from a table in the corner. He was sitting in an all-male group, easily the toughest looking bunch in town. He walked over to the troublemaker, and words were said. He returned to his seat, and things quitened down for a while. Sadly, this happy state of affairs did not last long. The loudmouth just became drunker and more offensive. The big man gave him a second, and a third warning, but he just became bolder. He was spoiling the evening for everyone. And then the big guy lost his patience. He walked over to the table, grabbed the brat by the scruff of his neck, and started lugging him to the door. A fight ensued. Punches were traded, and blood flowed. In the end the big guy prevailed. He threw the ruffian out, and returned to his seat. We all felt relieved, and tried to carry on with our evening as normally as possible - but there was something in the air. We all felt grateful to the big guy, but we also felt vaguely uneasy. I can not say for sure why, but we left the club not too long afterwards. -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 April 7, 2003 Is this a metaphor for current events, perhaps?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #3 April 7, 2003 Obviously, this whole situation was the really big guy's fault. Perhaps if he had offered to build new houses for the obnoxious guy and his friends, this could have been avoided. In any case, the really big guy could have just kept talking to the obnoxious guy, saying the same thing over and over, until one of the obnoxious guy's friends pulled a knife and stabbed the really big guy. Once he had been stabbed, the really big guy should have gone back to everyone else in the bar and asked them to vote on whether he could defend himself. They might have said no, in which case the really big guy should have talked to the obnoxious guy some more and perhaps gotten stabbed again. But if the obnoxious guy had actually done anything to any of the smaller patrons other than pushing them around a little, you can bet they would have begun en masse loudly bleating for the really big guy to kick the obnoxious guy's ass for them. Then they would have all celebrated their victory, while becoming just a little bit more bitter that the really big guy had to step in to defend them. But that's just how it might have happened. BMcD... ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #4 April 7, 2003 The big guy didn't handle it right. He should have gone to the obnoxious guy's table and beaten everyone up but the obnoxious guy. When the guy kept being obnoxious, he should have picked some other table that seemed to be supporting the obnoxious guy and beaten _that_ table up. He could continue doing that until no one thought ill of him, and the problems would go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 April 7, 2003 holy shit. look what I've started! LMFAO!! this was probably just a story about a barfight! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #6 April 7, 2003 Quote offensively jeering at any girls that walked past Is this wrong? -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #7 April 7, 2003 I sure hope no beer was wasted to spillage during the dust-up! Now THAT would have been a real shame ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #8 April 7, 2003 QuoteObviously, this whole situation was the really big guy's fault. Perhaps if he had offered to build new houses for the obnoxious guy and his friends, this could have been avoided. You don't get it. What I'm trying to say is that there will be no winners here. So do not gloat. Do not be arrogant. Try to imagine being the big guy. How would you have conducted yourself to help all of us enjoy the rest of the evening? Put yourself in our shoes for a minute. Think. Sometimes, there are no winners. Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do. But do it with dignity. You are the big guy now. With that there comes responsibility. Carry it in a way that will make us believe in you. Help us trust you. Each and every individual one of you. I still support you. -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #9 April 7, 2003 Bill, I've read your posts. I think I understand your views. But your way of getting them across does not appeal to the masses -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #10 April 7, 2003 Quote Is this wrong? No, But there is an appropriate way of jeering, and an inappropriate way. The first one gets the results desired. If you need lessons, you know where to apply . -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #11 April 7, 2003 Quote They might have said no, in which case the really big guy should have talked to the obnoxious guy some more and perhaps gotten stabbed again. You forgot to throw in the part about the other guy with a funny accent holding the big guy back. Then you find out later that it's because his initials are all over the knife the obnoxious guy's using! it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #12 April 7, 2003 Part of the deal with the big guy is that everyone now has to just trust him. Because they all know he can kick the shit out of them. Which is OK as long as he's a good guy. But, y'know, you never really know. And someday, what he defines as "good guy" may no longer match what everyone else thinks is a good guy. So it's scary to be a little guy, or a medium guy. Especially when there's a big guy around. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #13 April 7, 2003 Quote I sure hope no beer was wasted to spillage during the dust-up! Now THAT would have been a real shame ... Well, there was once a car that rolled. The car ended up on it's roof, with all the occupants holding their hands over the open end of their (now upside-down) beer bottles. You had to be there. Priorities, priorities...... . How they've changed . -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #14 April 7, 2003 Actually, if you're just a little, quiet guy in the back of the room sitting in an unimportant part of the bar, you have the luxury of shaking your head in disgust & complaining about the big guy, because no one is paying attention to you anyway. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 April 7, 2003 Until somebody wants your chair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #16 April 7, 2003 Quote Actually, if you're just a little, quiet guy in the back of the room sitting in an unimportant part of the bar, you have the luxury of shaking your head in disgust & complaining about the big guy, because no one is paying attention to you anyway. Well, in the non-metaphoric barfight, I was the big guy. So I know how you feel. But don't worry, keep pumping them irons and spend 20 minutes a day on the health walker, and people will soon start paying you the amount of attention you so richly deserve. Quoth the big-teeth man. Hark, for his word is the way . edit: spelling corrected. I don't want "Oom" Speedy to kick my ass for spelling ! -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 April 7, 2003 QuoteBut don't worry, keep pumping them irons and spend 20 minutes a day o the health walker, and people will soon start paying you the amount of attention you so richly deserve. As the big guy shouldn't you make sure that he doesn't pump iron or work out? I mean otherwise, you might not be the biggest guy anymore if you let others build themselves up without your permission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #18 April 7, 2003 Quote might not be the biggest guy anymore if you let others build themselves up without your permission SHHHH!!!! You don't want to give away the secret!!! Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #19 April 7, 2003 Wendy, I have no secrets worth knowing. Only people who sit in the "important part of the bar" have those. So I can afford to be open . -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #20 April 8, 2003 touche ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
