Guest #1 April 9, 2003 "...you US wankers" Kinda says it all...."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #2 April 9, 2003 Bwahahhahahah.......I saw that! It was great!.......LOL.....I wondered what the last line was. I couldn't really read it. Thanks for the picture! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #3 April 9, 2003 I thought they left well before the bombing began . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #4 April 9, 2003 I saw a news piece last week in which some of them were patting themselves on the back for staying on, camping at a power plant."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 April 9, 2003 Amazing Saddam's goons don't put those losers on the front lines instead of six year old Iraqi children. I liked Gen. Franks' quote about them, stating that US Forces can't guarantee the safety of human shields. goat cheeze, VINNY THE ANVILVinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 April 9, 2003 QuoteI thought they left well before the bombing began . . . Most of them did but there were some who stayed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #7 April 9, 2003 QuoteI thought they left well before the bombing began . . . So how can they call themselves human shields if they left before the bombing started? Bwahahhahahah.... Posers. Was Sean Penn one of those "human shields" that left before the shooting started? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #8 April 9, 2003 I would love to have seen him strapped to a MLRS and rocketed all over Southern Iraq. At least he would have been of some use as fertilizer. Yeah, him and that asshole Peter "Tailwind" Arnett... And Susan Sarandon hehehe - I could go on and on... "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #9 April 9, 2003 >So how can they call themselves human shields if they left before >the bombing started? Dunno. I think perhaps they were unclear on the concept of the 'human shield.' "You mean they might SHOOT at us? My god! Why wasn't I told?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #10 April 9, 2003 QuoteDunno. I think perhaps they were unclear on the concept of the 'human shield.' "You mean they might SHOOT at us? My god! Why wasn't I told?" ROFLMAO......oh man......I'm crying......I hate it when they don't give you ALL the information about what a war is all about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 April 10, 2003 1) where did that picture come from & when was it taken? 2) Heres an article dated march 23rd wherein one of those human shields suddenly realizes that Saddam wants them to shield military installations and not orphanages and hospitals.(from the Sunday Telegraph, UK: I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam By Daniel Pepper (Filed: 23/03/2003) I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on the bus and you represent yourself. So that is exactly what I did on the morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the intifada. I also went to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek. The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed. We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments. I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an _expression of incredulity. As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family. It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you." Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq. I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment. "Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam." We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war. The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had. Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?" It hit me on visceral and emotional levels: this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years. Last Thursday night I went to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset me. Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has to be taken out. It is extraordinarily ironic that the anti-war protesters are marching to defend a government which stops its people exercising that freedom. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #12 April 10, 2003 ok why didn't this go to the top when I replied? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 April 10, 2003 still not working. <> Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #14 April 11, 2003 Thanks for the post. Cuts right through the crap to the heart of the matter. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites