rhino 0 #1 April 9, 2003 http://www.msnbc.com/news/888057.asp?0cv=CB10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #2 April 9, 2003 I bet they are thinking the same thing about all the war mongers out there.I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #3 April 9, 2003 I bet they are trying to figure out how to cover their asses... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #4 April 9, 2003 Oh, come on Rhino! That's not fair. Us lefties have no way of replying to such witty and sophisticated comments on world politics! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #5 April 9, 2003 With a "Special Guest" appearance by Saddam himself, no doubt. Actually, for these assholes, it really was about the oil."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #6 April 9, 2003 Screw them, all they want is to be assured that all of the Billions owed to them by Iraq will be repaid. Once Iraq is stabilized, one of the first priorities should be to get the oil flowing and start providing for the citizens. Tear down all of the palaces with the gold plated sinks and other examples of indulgence and make sure no one in Iraq goes to sleep hungry or has to beg for water in the street.Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #7 April 9, 2003 Quote... other examples of indulgence and make sure no one in Iraq goes to sleep hungry or has to beg for water in the street. ...and when will this happen in the US? or canada, or britain, or..."Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #8 April 9, 2003 Quote Tear down all of the palaces with the gold plated sinks and other examples of indulgence and make sure no one in Iraq goes to sleep hungry or has to beg for water in the street. In other words, establish communism ? -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #9 April 9, 2003 didn't take long for that comment to come on down now, did it? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #10 April 9, 2003 At least in the US, our homeless and hungry and thirsty aren't in such deplorable conditions b/c of a ruthless dictator. A lot is due to the devestation of mental illness and lack of familiar cohesiveness, alcohol and drug addiction, etc. I know this from working extensively w/ these people for six years after college. I also know of MANY MANY cases of these people who rose up, often w/ the help of community services, and made something of themselves which those in Iraq couldn't possibly have done. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #11 April 9, 2003 "Once Iraq is stabilized, one of the first priorities should be to get the oil flowing and start providing for the citizens. Tear down all of the palaces with the gold plated sinks and other examples of indulgence and make sure no one in Iraq goes to sleep hungry or has to beg for water in the street. " Surely get the water flowing first. Then get the power back up. Then build some stuff that has been "kaboomed" -as some people have put it, you know telephone exchanges, hospitals, schools, that sort of thing. Then clear all the minefields, and unexploded ordinance. Then round up all the 'spare' firearms lying around. Then clear up all the spent uranium. Then establish some sort of local police that can be trusted. Maybe some form of Iraqi government might be a cool idea. I would say that getting oil flowing will take a wee while, and could probably wait.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #12 April 9, 2003 Quote In other words, establish communism ? Hell no, taking care of your own people is not communisim. Allowing people to starve while building palace after palace is unexcusable. How is this communisim?Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #13 April 9, 2003 Quote Surely get the water flowing first. Then get the power back up. Then build some stuff that has been "kaboomed" -as some people have put it, you know telephone exchanges, hospitals, schools, that sort of thing. Then clear all the minefields, and unexploded ordinance. Then round up all the 'spare' firearms lying around. Then clear up all the spent uranium. Then establish some sort of local police that can be trusted. Maybe some form of Iraqi government might be a cool idea. I would say that getting oil flowing will take a wee while, and could probably wait. I think getting Iraqi oil production going again will bring the biggest thing needed to do all of the above - money. Besides, as we all know -- "The Spice must flow.""The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #14 April 9, 2003 >Hell no, taking care of your own people is not communisim. Communism - everyone is entitled to "their share" of wealth. >Allowing people to starve while building palace after palace is . . . . . . capitalism. Those with the money have the wealth and power, those without money have very little. It's our basic economic system - how is it OK to let people like Bill Gates build their palaces while 2 million children in the US go hungry? Answer - capitalism. We do have a bunch of socialistic federal aid programs intended to ease this problem, which is good. We do a much better job than Iraq has done over the past 20 years. However, we have far more "palaces" than Hussein does; we just call them houses or ranches or retreats or penthouses. Many of them are worth far more than Hussein's most ornate palace. And we do not allow our poor to "reap the benefits" of those palaces. Hussein is guilty of a great many crimes; being a capitalist doesn't even make the top 10 in my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #15 April 9, 2003 The comparison is flawed. Bill Gates isn't a head of state (despite having more wealth than the GNP of a lot of countries ), and his money, as lopsided as it is, is his own. He didn't take it out of other people's mouths - he earned it. "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #16 April 9, 2003 No you are wrong. Most homelessness and poverty here in the US is not the result of mental illness or "broken homes"... It is because of me. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 April 9, 2003 Actually I think this is an example of the real losers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lizzieb 0 #18 April 9, 2003 QuoteNo you are wrong. Most homelessness and poverty here in the US is not the result of mental illness or "broken homes"... It is because of me. whew...thank god...i thought it was because of me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #19 April 9, 2003 Quote A lot is due to the devestation of mental illness and lack of familiar cohesiveness, alcohol and drug addiction, etc. Well, we can't help all the Kennedy's. Uncle Ted is probably over that edge. Perhaps the others will repent from their life of dissipation and debauchery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #20 April 9, 2003 QuoteCommunism - everyone is entitled to "their share" of wealth. Is this like a birthright? They get a share simply because they are there regardless of their contribution to society? I have an idea, I'll quit work today and you send me half your paycheck! I'll stay at the dz and jump with your money. Sound good? Let me know and I will send you my mailing address. "...to each according to their need...." I need it worse than you, so start licking the stamps. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #21 April 9, 2003 Quote Quote Communism - everyone is entitled to "their share" of wealth. Is this like a birthright? They get a share simply because they are there regardless of their contribution to society? I have an idea, I'll quit work today and you send me half your paycheck! I'll stay at the dz and jump with your money. Sound good? Let me know and I will send you my mailing address. "...to each according to their need...." I need it worse than you, so start licking the stamps. ...sounds like the unemplyment insurance system in canada... "Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #22 April 9, 2003 Quote>Allowing people to starve while building palace after palace is . . . . . . capitalism. Those with the money have the wealth and power, those without money have very little. It's our basic economic system - how is it OK to let people like Bill Gates build their palaces while 2 million children in the US go hungry? Answer - capitalism Bill, sometimes I think you say junk like that just to be inflammatory. It is so far away from reason that it hardly justifies a reply. I can see how some threads are unreasonable when they start without reason. Bill Gates earned his. I don't begrudge him a dime. Wealth is relative. For some people I know, you are the wealthy guy. Did you steal your money from a poor person ? Should we re-distribute your wealth ? A lot of the kids in this country starve because of the choices that their parents make, not any decision that Bill Gates made. If the parents choose to drink all day instead of work, the children suffer and that is the parents fault. I don't blame my problems on anyone else but me. Children in Iraq don't have drinking water while SH has 50-foot fountains in his palace. The problems of Iraq were created by a dictator. The problems in the US have other sources, mainly bad personal choices. There is never going to be a "perfect" world or government. They do the best they can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 April 9, 2003 I do believe in the benefits of capitalism and am definitely not in favor of any kind of socialistic government. However, if you use an example instead of Bill Gates, like maybe a Pharmaceutical Exec who makes millions while people die because they can't afford the drugs they sell, it does make you wonder... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #24 April 9, 2003 >I'll quit work today and you send me half your paycheck! I already send you 40% of my paycheck, in the form of services you use. So yes, if you quit your job and started relying on government services, I'd be sending you nearly half my paycheck. But I'm OK with that, because some of that money goes to things that help all americans. Some goes to things that help only poor people (medicaid, medicare, food stamps, WIC etc.) and I'm also fine with that. I do make decent money and I can afford to 'pitch in.' >Sound good? Let me know and I will send you my mailing address. You don't need to. I know the address of the IRS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #25 April 9, 2003 >Bill Gates earned his. I don't begrudge him a dime. Wealth is > relative. For some people I know, you are the wealthy guy. Did you > steal your money from a poor person ? Should we re-distribute your > wealth ? Almost half of what I make is "redistributed" every year. I don't have a problem with that. >Children in Iraq don't have drinking water while SH has 50-foot > fountains in his palace. The problems of Iraq were created by a > dictator. The problems in the US have other sources, mainly bad > personal choices. I agree. His evil lies in his torture of his own citizens, his draconian domestic policies, and his disregard for even the most basic of human rights. If he had a better human rights record, was willing to give up his WMD's, and was willing to cooperate with us on oil, defense etc - we'd be singing his praises even if he had TWICE the number of 50 foot statues. He's an evil guy. That he is rich, or can build a lot of palaces, is not one of the top ten reasons he is evil, and suggesting that is sorta silly. There are enough reasons already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
