Joyner 0 #1 April 23, 2003 I started this post as part of a reply in safety and training but decided to put it here instead! I write this to see if I'm missing an aspect regarding the discussion about low turn incidents in the "Incidents forum". I'm not writing this to discuss whether or not to hook turn or how to hook turn safely, My theory is that it usually boils down to the same 4 errors. 1.Misjudging the altitude. AND / OR 2. Misjudging the rate of decent of your canopy which is really part of problem number one. AND / OR 3. You fail to take into account the external factors like wind, obstacles, traffic and so on. AND / OR 4. Not having your priorities straight. By this time I think it has been well established that anyone regardless of weight, canopy type, level of experience, weather and so on, have, can and will continue to hurt or kill themselves in low turn accidents. So I wouldn't consider these essential factors. Even if it is easier to do it under a loaded elliptical, that comes back to point 1 and 2 above. If the cause is number 4. I would say YES there are things to be learned. For example turning too low to avoid a down wind landing. Those priorities must be discussed and set straight. But how about the first 3? The keyword is judgment! In all of 1-3 the skydiver exercised poor judgment! Can we translate someone else's judgment of a given situation into our own mind and act on that information in another situation? Are we just playing along to dwell on others misfurtune like some sort of "Cyberspace rubber necking"? Are we just afraid that even the best and most experienced of us can just mess up, and there by it can also happen to us? Are we desperatly seeking reasons other than poor judgment to create some sort of perception that "It wont happen to me"? Or is there a real value in these threads that I'm missing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 April 23, 2003 Hey, I've been going over the incident reports in Parachutist and have noticed that an extremely large number of landing incidents are with Sabres (and also a fair number with Stilletos). Is that just because it's a popular canopy generally, or is there something specific about Sabres? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racer42 0 #3 April 23, 2003 It's real simple.....failure to follow the basic rules.L.A.S.T. #24 Co-Founder Biscuit Brothers Freefly Team Electric Toaster #3 Co-Founder Team Non Sequitor Co-Founder Team Happy Sock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
