dropdeded 0 #1 April 25, 2003 Looking for night work while I attend college.The computer application I filled out at the place hiring asks, "Are you inclined to partake in extreme sports such as skydiving or race car driving".There was no box to check for "F#UCKIN-A RIGHT"so I just checked "yes". How do employers look at that answer? Its for a night stocking (not "stalking") job. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #2 April 25, 2003 They use that question to determine if you might conceivably steal something on a dare (at least that's what I learned). But if that one question alone eliminates you from consideration, they're using it way wrong. Generally that kind of test also asks if you've ever stolen a pencil or a paper clip, too. Honest is always best regardless -- a lot fewer lies to remember. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #3 April 25, 2003 Maybe because the merchandise you'll be stocking are PARACHUTES and CARS? __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #4 April 25, 2003 Personally, I'd have just skipped the question. It doesn't pertain to your behavior during work hours or your suitability to do the work, so they don't need to know. I wouldn't lie about it, I just wouldn't answer at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #5 April 25, 2003 As far as the honesty thing goes it asked if " have ever been too drunk to know what your doing" and I said no.Hell,I dont drink anymore but everytime I was that drunk I KNEW what I was doing. So,if Im interviewed,and it comes up,uh,I'll tell em that.Yeah,thats it.Strange questions they asked dropdeded ------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #6 April 25, 2003 I don't get the purpose of that question, Did you ask?, I wouldn't answer ANY question I don't understand of see its purpose.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #7 April 25, 2003 "inclined to partake"?? Sounds a little foo-foo for extreme sports. What's next? Finger sandwiches on the ride to altitude? In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #8 April 25, 2003 I don't get the purpose of that question, Did you ask?, I wouldn't answer ANY question I don't understand of see its purpose. __________________________________________________ It was a computer survey thingy.I dont get to talk to a human unless they like my answers,I guess dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #9 April 25, 2003 Quote Finger sandwiches on the ride to altitude? Not a bad idea, actually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DTOXX 0 #10 April 25, 2003 Where in the hell are you applying Ed? Tell them the building is too short to BASE off of so there should be no problem. ------- D.T. Holder SIMstudy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #11 April 25, 2003 Quote "inclined to partake"?? Sounds a little foo-foo for extreme sports. What's next? Finger sandwiches on the ride to altitude? And little cups of tea with pinkies extended. How prim and proper! "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #12 April 25, 2003 Where in the hell are you applying Ed? __________________________________________________ *ahem* Target on Rosedale. Graveyard shift loading and unloading trucks. (dont tell the guys) dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #13 April 25, 2003 Quote Looking for night work while I attend college.The computer application I filled out at the place hiring asks, "Are you inclined to partake in extreme sports such as skydiving or race car driving".There was no box to check for "F#UCKIN-A RIGHT"so I just checked "yes". How do employers look at that answer? Its for a night stocking (not "stalking") job. dropdeded ok, so here's the deal.... the supreme court in the US has determined that discrimination/harassment in the workplace falls under the 1964 civil liberties act. They can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). If they do, you are being discriminated against, and they would be found in the wrong (if you can prove it -- the only proof the courts need is that you are being treated differently than others based on something i.e. race, age, gender, sexual preferance, extreme sports, etc.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 April 25, 2003 QuoteWhere in the hell are you applying Ed? __________________________________________________ *ahem* Target on Rosedale. Graveyard shift loading and unloading trucks. sounds like they dont want anyone who might "think outside the box"____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 April 25, 2003 QuoteThey can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). I didn't realize extreme sports was covered. Can you cite a reference to back that up? Sure would be interesting to see that in print.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #16 April 25, 2003 Quoteok, so here's the deal.... the supreme court in the US has determined that discrimination/harassment in the workplace falls under the 1964 civil liberties act. They can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). If they do, you are being discriminated against, and they would be found in the wrong (if you can prove it -- the only proof the courts need is that you are being treated differently than others based on something i.e. race, age, gender, sexual preferance, extreme sports, etc.) On the other hand, if they can prove a strong correlation between participation in extreme sports and unacceptable job performance (which I would think it totally unlikely), then they could use it against you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #17 April 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteok, so here's the deal.... the supreme court in the US has determined that discrimination/harassment in the workplace falls under the 1964 civil liberties act. They can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). If they do, you are being discriminated against, and they would be found in the wrong (if you can prove it -- the only proof the courts need is that you are being treated differently than others based on something i.e. race, age, gender, sexual preferance, extreme sports, etc.) On the other hand, if they can prove a strong correlation between participation in extreme sports and unacceptable job performance (which I would think it totally unlikely), then they could use it against you. You're stereotyping.... and that's another debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #18 April 25, 2003 QuoteThey can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). I'd bet they can, within the letter of the law. The anti-discrimination laws protect against discrimination on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual preference, disability, age, and a couple other very specific things. For example, if a homebuilder doesn't want to build a home for a lawyer because he would actually read the contract, he doesn't have to. Sure it is discrimination, but it isn't illegal discrimination, because occupation isn't covered under the law. If they don't want to hire someone because they participate in extreme sports, they don't have to. It is their call. If they do, then you can just shop somewhere else. Note: I'm not a lawyer, I just work at a law firm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #19 April 25, 2003 They are probably worried about your commitment to the job due to absentee-ism based on the weather conditions, i.e. 85 degree weather, blue skies no clouds ... Sorry boss, I am feeling REALLY sick today and can't come in. (The DZ is screaming my name!!!) Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #20 April 25, 2003 On the other hand, if they can prove a strong correlation between participation in extreme sports and unacceptable job performance (which I would think it totally unlikely), then they could use it against you. __________________________________________________ I agree 100%.But then look how "most" people perceive people that "partake" in such activities.Even though MY experience with the whole skydiving world has been NOTHING but positive,even in my every day activities away from the dropzone.Hell,my whole outlook on life has changed,for the better. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #21 April 25, 2003 They are probably worried about your commitment to the job due to absentee-ism based on the weather conditions, i.e. 85 degree weather, blue skies no clouds ... Sorry boss, I am feeling REALLY sick today and can't come in. (The DZ is screaming my name!!!) __________________________________________________ Unfortunately my skydiving career hasn't progressed to the point of night jumps so Im OK there,damnit. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slayer21016 2 #22 April 25, 2003 In ohio there are no laws that protect employee's. i know that some people will think that i am wrong but i did experience an employer who was not happy that i was a skydiver. there angle was that they had spent allot of money on me and thought i was there property and if i died they just lost the money they spent on me. i ended up quitting after two years of harrasment by management. only to become a full time jumper so they did me a favor as far as i am concern'd. in ohio an employer can decide to not hire or fire any employee for any reason they can come up with and that is sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #23 April 25, 2003 Quotein ohio an employer can decide to not hire or fire any employee for any reason they can come up with and that is sad. It does vary by jurisdiction, except where the few federally-mandated issues come into play, I think. Maryland is an "At will" employment state. That means pretty much that you work at the employers will, and they can fire you any time they want. They do not have to show cause. The burden of proof is up to the employee, and I think it must fall under one of the few federal rules to stand a chance in this state. Other states vary. Did I mention that I'm not a lawyer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #24 April 25, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteok, so here's the deal.... the supreme court in the US has determined that discrimination/harassment in the workplace falls under the 1964 civil liberties act. They can not turn you down for a job or promotion based on outside legal activities (such as extreme sports). If they do, you are being discriminated against, and they would be found in the wrong (if you can prove it -- the only proof the courts need is that you are being treated differently than others based on something i.e. race, age, gender, sexual preferance, extreme sports, etc.) On the other hand, if they can prove a strong correlation between participation in extreme sports and unacceptable job performance (which I would think it totally unlikely), then they could use it against you. You're stereotyping.... and that's another debate. No, I'm not. If I have a scientific study that proves a strong correlation between some activity or questionaire response and unacceptable job behavior, then it is valid to use in making a hiring decisions. The typical public perception of participants in extreme sports being unreliable and a little crazy is a stereotype. If I produced a report that said that participants in extreme sports are 95% more likely to have 10 or more unexcused absences from work than non-participants, then I could use that to make hiring decisions. Of course, I doubt that such a report exists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #25 April 25, 2003 QuoteMaryland is an "At will" employment state So is Texas. One thing to think about, though, is that it's expensive to get sued for wrongful discharge, even if you end up winning. It's a lot cheaper if you can have the case discouraged or thrown out early because you have a published employment practice, and follow it. So many (particularly larger) employers have one. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
