Documents found in Iraq show that Saddam Hussein took steps to protect the reputation of a British legislator

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2 kids as well

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The only way to really prevent terrorism is to have conditions be good enough that people have too much to lose by being terrorists.

Believe it or not Wendy there are people that do not want peace no matter what. Some of them are led by a criminal named Arafat. They care nothing for peace and want only to destroy the areas only democracy. They brainwash thier youth into thinking Israel is evil incarnate. Murder thousands of civilians. They have repeatedly refuse to abide in peace treaties. Is this all the Arabs, no. However as long as they remain there will never be peace in the middle east. You say they are that way because they have needs, I say they are that way because it it's what they really want.

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You lost me with the rattlesnake thing

the terror networks are rattle snakes. You distroy the head and the snake dies. (terrorist can't funtion w/o leaders and money. cut off that and the problem is averted.

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i do not think iraq was the head of any great arab conspiracy, sure they usually ally themselves with each other thats no crime....

but training and supporting them in operations just outside of bahdad shows they were involved.

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oh and Iran is mostly Persian not Arab.

my bad I should have said biggest army in middle east.

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Yes, we have the guns. But with increased firepower is supposed to come increased responsibility (and I'd hope sensitivity). If it's all about the power, then we'd damn well better make sure we always have power

I think we have been very careful and sensitive. I think you would have to agree we have done as much as humanly possible to avert deaths of nonagressive Iraqis. I believe some of the "old guard" are causing trouble.

Wendy, if you were put in charge of Iraq today, what would you do?

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In Fox's defense, they did have a story, linked from their main page. Lots of emphasis on the fact that folks fired at them from the crowd, but they did mention that some of the folks shot were children.

I just can't imagine the ingenuousness that leads us to think that everyone in Iraq will welcome us with open arms, especially when we don't pay too much attention to local culture, customs and the like.

Yes, we have the guns. But with increased firepower is supposed to come increased responsibility (and I'd hope sensitivity). If it's all about the power, then we'd damn well better make sure we always have power.

Wendy W.

Arabs have a habit of putting their kids out front, so that they'll be shot first. They do the same thing in the Occupied Territories. When the Israelis shoot low with rubber bullets to hit the legs of the crowd, the Arabs put their small children out front so that they'll lose eyes.

No judgement here, just facts and observation, but if I were the GIs, I'd make sure I had video cameras rolling to capture evidence, no matter the outcome.

I read on some Arab news sites that it would only take about three weeks before the Iraqis were thinking "Saddam, we hardly knew ye". Looks like the honeymoon is over, and it's time for an exit strategy.

As I've said before, I don't think serious democratic reforms are possible, because such initiative is not only sadly lacking in the Middle East, such reforms take restraint; e.g., self-government is only for those who are willing and able to govern themselves.

Parochial, patriarchal, emotional, seeing the world through association with one's tribe and blinded by religious dogma - these are not the keys to democracy. They can't control themselves - how will they tame a nation?

Once again, Harju predicts that the Islamic Republic of Iraq will be firmly in place within three years.

Brutal, backward people end up with brutal, backward rule. Some things never change.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Believe it or not Wendy there are people that do not want peace no matter what

That's absolutely true. There are some in the US also -- people aren't that different inside. Culturally, yes, but humanly, no.

Here, however, things are good enough that the ones who really want to raise shit don't have a good pool to select from. Most smart people have something better to do.

When most smart people don't have anything better to do, there's less for them to lose by starting shit. They love their families and children. They love their wives and husbands. During WW2, there were children used in guerilla warfare sometimes -- when your homeland is at war, children want to participate, and some parents let them.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Wendy, if you were put in charge of Iraq today, what would you do?

Obviously I don't have enough information to know. I don't know that I would have made the decisions that got us where we are, but you don't always get to choose the position you're in.

I think the main thing I'd do first would be to solicit and consider inputs from virtually all sources, especially Arab ones. The same solution can sound vastly different depending on just you word it, or it can be perceived very differently depending on your awareness. From what I've read and seen, I think we're a little too convinced of the "just rightness" or "right justness" or whatever of our cause.

From there? Well, without information how in the world can you formulate a realistic plan.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Some of them are led by a criminal named Arafat

Yes, and some of them are led by a draft dodging, ex-coke addict who choked on a pretzel.

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You say they are that way because they have needs, I say they are that way because it it's what they really want.

I think they just don't wanna be ripped off again, build some trust, sanction Israel next time they kill some palestinians. It might help if someone showed some genuine interest instead of appeasing Israel at every turn....every time someone says Israel Bad it's anti semetic...everytime someone says palestinian bad, They say, serves them right!

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the terror networks are rattle snakes.

OK, gotcha. Do you have any idea how many terror organisations the U.S government has supported over the last 50 years or how about U.S sponsored assassinations throughout south america...what about cleaning out your own neck o the woods first? or would that be rattin out their buddies?

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but training and supporting them in operations just outside of bahdad shows they were involved.

Who is them? Iran? Iran was training ppl to overthrow saddam not fight against the U.S....they were supporting YOU!

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my bad I should have said biggest army in middle east.

The U.S should not involve themselves with Iran, let them work it out! if the U.S or anyone else interfers in Iran it will start up fundamentalism all over again in that country and set back any reform that has and is taking place! Thats how Iran got that way in the first place by putting the Shah in power..it created contempt for the U.S and it's puppet.

I dont want to teach history but it seems some governments haven't even gone to school!

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I think they just don't wanna be ripped off again, build some trust, sanction Israel next time they kill some palestinians.

Arafat dosn't want peace I'm sure he had a hamd in the last explosion. He is, was and alway will be a murderer.

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Israel next time they kill some palestinians.

How about they hold Arafat accountable for the next bombing.

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It might help if someone showed some genuine interest instead of appeasing Israel at every turn

What about arafats refusal to accept a homeland a few years back. He only wants one thing, the destruction of Israel. If he wanted real peace he'd stop the bombings,

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every time someone says Israel Bad it's anti semetic...everytime someone says palestinian bad, They say, serves them right!

If a group of people in Brisbane was blowing up shopers in Sidney. Doing it for more than 40 years, I'm sure you would look the other way, right?

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Arafat dosn't want peace I'm sure he had a hamd in the last explosion. He is, was and alway will be a murderer.

Yes, im sure he has been involved in the deaths of ppl. I think the point may be why was he killing them? Israel was given a state by the UN, it just happened that the arabs were living on that land, i can imagine why he'd be a little pissed.

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If a group of people in Brisbane was blowing up shopers in Sidney. Doing it for more than 40 years, I'm sure you would look the other way, right?

I dont think the whole arab/israeli issue can be figured out in an internet forum, let alone with a simple analogy such as the one above.

For example if i was from Sydney, i wouldnt have a house to live in becoz the ppl from brisbane knocked it down with a bulldozer, and we can go in circles from here....the fact is the palestinians do not have a state, havent had one for a while...they are dispossessed! does america want to sign up and free the palestinians? nope. they have nothing to offer them.no money, no oil, they are shit outta luck, do you still wonder why there are terrorists among them?

Personally I'd like to drop the bomb on the whole postage stamp sized area and free up some air time on my 6 oclock news!

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How about they hold Arafat accountable for the next bombing

How about they haul up Ariel Sharon to a war crimes tribunal? he'd hang just as much as Arafat would.

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if you trust an 2 and 3,5 years old girls then yes,how ever they are used to pack slider off so beaware

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if you trust an 2 and 3,5 years old girls then yes,how ever they are used to pack slider off so beaware

Oh you mean living packing weights

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actualy i use them as personal coach... they often tell me to have longer delays,that i screwed up when i got hurt and so on..The thing is just that they first tell me after i did it,that i did it wrong

Stay safe
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>the terror networks are rattle snakes. You distroy the head and
> the snake dies.

Yep. Unfortunately, we only do that when it's in our political best interest. We support terror networks when they might kill someone we don't like, even if they kill our friends as well. It's gotten us in trouble before and will get us into trouble again. I wish we'd stop doing that.

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Yep. Unfortunately, we only do that when it's in our political best interest. We support terror networks when they might kill someone we don't like, even if they kill our friends as well. It's gotten us in trouble before and will get us into trouble again. I wish we'd stop doing that.

I agree we have made mistakes in the past for example Clinton not getting old Bin when he had a chance. To be honest both righties and lefties have mad the mistake. But....does that mean you do nothing? Killing the snakes are having a effect.

Bill what would you do with Cuba, anything? I'm kind of shocked your side of the isle has not said the recent jailing of Cuban dissidents and the execution of hijackers by Fidel Castro.

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>To be honest both righties and lefties have mad the mistake.
> But....does that mean you do nothing? Killing the snakes are having
> a effect.

Many of the snakes we have to kill are ones we helped create. Bin Laden and the Mujahideen, Hussein (who we supported even _after_ he used chemical weapons against the Iranians) are some examples.

Now I'm afraid we're doing it again. We just agreed to a truce with the Mujahedeen Khalq (a different Mujahideen, same basic idea) that lets them keep all their weapons and heavy artillery because we're hoping they kill Iranians for us. This is the same terrorist organization who, from our state department's reports, have killed US soldiers and civilians, have assassinated foreign officials in other countries, and have the ability to mount large-scale operations overseas.

(further info here and here .)

We just went to war with Iraq because there are some tenuous links between Hussein and US terrorism, but we're letting _these_ guys go?

To answer your original question, disarming these guys _now_ (they have offered their surrender) would go a long way towards not having a 9/11/05. Sometimes it's better to not incite terrorists to kill people, even if we dislike the people they're killing.