kallend 2,148
QuotePresident Bush visited that carrier as a Commander in Chief - not a candidate. It was a good move on his part and the folks in uniform both appreciate it and deserve it.
The nice attached picture shows the Prevaricator in Chief on the Teddy R - and shows me all of the dim's whining about President Bush's visit are hypocrites. To further demonstrate their hypocrisy, they include the cost of this speech in their rantings. How many of them raised their voices high and demanded cost data analysis on the former First Lady/Daughter's African Adventure? President Clinton's extensive African/European travel? The First Lady's travel costs to campaign in NY State? I heard Republicans, but no democrats. I could go on, but will stop here as I've made my point.
I'll tell you how many- ZERO. Their voices were about as loud as oh-so-proud-to-be-a-veteran John Kerry's voice demanding that military absentee ballots be counted in Florida in 2000. What? You didn't hear him screaming at his fellow democrats not to send busloads of lawyers to Florida to suppress the military vote? Awwwww......I guess he and Ted 'The Bottle' were at the Kopechne residence expressing their condolences for Mary Jo yet again......disgusting.
The vast efforts of the left to use this speech on the Abe Lincoln to smear the President shows how desparate they really are to fill their void of ideas. The President did a good thing there for the troops, sailors, and the nation. That it might have helped him politically is just a side effect - BFD. Deal with it.
From the right (with beer),
Vinny the Anvil
I doubt any of it compared with the cost of Whitewater - over $50Million - a Republican endeavor to get the Dems.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuoteI doubt it would be very difficult for any serious candidate to get a trip to a CVN at sea on request - even I've done it (twice), complete with cat shots, and I'm not a politician.
I wonder who paid for those.....
The US Navy paid, because in the opinion of some Admiral or other it was worth it to them to have me on board for an overnight stay.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Gawain 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI doubt it would be very difficult for any serious candidate to get a trip to a CVN at sea on request - even I've done it (twice), complete with cat shots, and I'm not a politician.
I wonder who paid for those.....
The US Navy paid, because in the opinion of some Admiral or other it was worth it to them to have me on board for an overnight stay.
In other words...who paid?
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
TheAnvil 0
Nope dude, try again. 'Twas a legitimate investigation and an effort for justice - though I'm sure there were some political motivations involved - kind of like The Heritage Foundations multiple IRS audits during the reign of the Clintonistas, eh? Had several key witnesses (MacDougal, et al) testified and the Rose Law firm records been released when asked for, the cost would have been significantly less. Vince Foster's 'suicide', investigators not allowed access to his office immediately afterwards by White House staff, firing of the entire White House travel office....don't you dare to presume to place the cost of the investigation entirely at Republican feet. That works on the left's constituency - of which I am not a part.
Beers,
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!
QuoteActually, that was part of the debate. The current feeling was that during a war he could be targeted, but before that he could not be singled out. Like by a sniper or SEALs or something more black.
I believe the only people that would have had a hard time with a "one shot, one kill" op would have been the Teddy and friends gang here. Perhaps the french. To late after the fact you can't do anything much after SH and sons would be taken out.
QuoteThe guy that shot and hit Reagan was a lovelorn white American guy named Hinkley, a wacko trying to impress actress Jodie Foster. Too bad for him she don't swing that way. Even if she did, I doubt it would have worked anyway.
Oh i had forgot about the Jodie Foster bit, but I bet Hinkley got a date with Bubba in his cell block
Ron 10
Quoteguess in the interests of fair campaigning then you'd support the use of our tax dollars so EVERY candidate
could have his/her picture taken on an active Aircraft carrier?? and have a "neeto cool" fighter landing to show
too??
You seem to be forgetting that he is the CinC of the Armed Forces....He has the RIGHT to use any military asset that he wants as long as it is in the performance of his job...And yes it was cool....Now if you want to bitch, how about all the rides the Blue Angels/Thunderbirds give to people? Or a 300.00 ashtray?
The incumbent will always have better "photo ops" of him DOING HIS JOB....
Ron
skreamer 1
I went to South Africa on holiday. Caught up with family and friends, went bungy jumping, bridge-swinging, climbing and skydiving. You could say I had fun.
Glad to see not much has changed around here.
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI doubt it would be very difficult for any serious candidate to get a trip to a CVN at sea on request - even I've done it (twice), complete with cat shots, and I'm not a politician.
I wonder who paid for those.....
The US Navy paid, because in the opinion of some Admiral or other it was worth it to them to have me on board for an overnight stay.
In other words...who paid?
OK - I paid, with part of the $35,000 I paid in federal income taxes that year. It's nice to get something for my tax money for a change.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteThe current feeling was that during a war he could be targeted, but before that he could not be singled out. Like by a sniper or SEALs or something more black.
According to the non-assassination rules, it is ok to drop a stack of 2000 lb bombs on their headquarters or level the city that they are in, but not ok to just shoot them? Kind of confused morality.
If you pull a trigger from 500 yds or push a button to launch a tomahawk from 500 miles, same result. Somehow, distance and technology make it ok. I try to make my moral decisions and then decide on which hammer to use.
SkyDekker 1,465
Quoteand the 80-90 people SH killed daily for years didn't matter.
Off course it matters, but that has never been the reasoning for this war, or any other war fought by the US or any other country.
There are millions of people around this world suffering under an opressive regime. Is the US going to "save" them all?
QuoteQuoteand the 80-90 people SH killed daily for years didn't matter.
Off course it matters, but that has never been the reasoning for this war, or any other war fought by the US or any other country.Quote
The Bosnian War was fought to end "Ethnic Cleansing". However the world wasn't upset about it because a Democrat was President then.
Zenister 0
QuoteQuoteguess in the interests of fair campaigning then you'd support the use of our tax dollars so EVERY candidate
could have his/her picture taken on an active Aircraft carrier?? and have a "neeto cool" fighter landing to show
too??
You seem to be forgetting that he is the CinC of the Armed Forces....He has the RIGHT to use any military asset that he wants as long as it is in the performance of his job...And yes it was cool....Now if you want to bitch, how about all the rides the Blue Angels/Thunderbirds give to people? Or a 300.00 ashtray?
The incumbent will always have better "photo ops" of him DOING HIS JOB....
Ron
really?? so you dont have any issues with a president using your tax money to help get reelected? what if you didnt vote for him in the first place? (which i did but) the other examples are fraud, waste and abuse. I've bitched (and reported) about such misuse before. Aircraft rides are given to LOTS of people for publicity, support & recruiting purposes OF THE SERVICE, not for any one individual.
did you know they actually turned the carrier just so the california coastline wouldnt be in the shot?? (wind was not a factor)
sorry but its his JOB as CinC to congratulate the troops for doing THEIR job. Its not part of his job to exploit their efforts for his own personal political gains.
I have no issues with what he did, i will have issues if the use that as a reelection ad.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Ron 10
Do I think it was pure publicity...nope. I have seen some fiqures that say the cost difference between his heli, and the jet was $7.00 an hour. Whoopie! Hell I'll give the guy 7 bucks....Hell I give another 7 bucks if they will let me do it.
But in truth, I don't really care how he did what he did. Bigger issues in the world than this to nit pick about.
But some people have to bitch...so have fun.
Ron
sorry, i pay far to much tax as is, if you want the photo op (no matter who you are) you should pay for it out of your own pockets (or the pockets of those who support your campaign)
Good one.......