Skull and Bones -- Kerry v Bush?-- Press Clips

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From time to time you may have read me making reference to a secret society called "Skull and Bones". For example here.

Y'all might wanna bone up on what this may mean in the upcomming election cycle.

http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/bone05152003.htm

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Skull_Bones_1.htm

http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html

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A synthesis of their making and design, where the state is absolute and individuals are granted their freedoms based on their obedience to the state -- a New World Order.

A sentence like that certainly makes you think, doesn't it.

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Sonny Barger said it best: "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead" (MonoUno, correct me if I'm wrong, but I know that's a AJ reference)

I just can't beleive in much of anything that requires people to keep secrets for any significant length of time.

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Kerry doesn't have a chance, irrespective of his membership in a silly sorority. Even his valor is in question, according to those who served with him.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Agreed. If he really gave a damn about veterans we would have heard his voice raised in OUTRAGE when the democrats sent in those hordes of lawyers to try and disqualify military absentee ballots in Florida.

He did serve in Vietnam and I thank him for that. Unfortunately he must have left his courage over there because he's a typical lying liberal coward right now.

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typical lying liberal coward

Excuse me, but that's pretty offensive. Right up there with typical selfish narrow-minded smug conservative.

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>Kerry doesn't have a chance, irrespective of his membership in a silly sorority.

I agree there. Wars make presidents popular; you have to _really_ screw up to not get reelected after a popular war.

>Even his valor is in question, according to those who served with him.

Well, at least he showed up for service.

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Interesting.

Very interesting.

Since Kerry actually served in Viet Nam, I think that it does give his views on the subject of war a bit more credibility than say . . . somebody that didn't.

Or am I wrong?

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I agree there. Wars make presidents popular; you have to _really_ screw up to not get reelected after a popular war.

Or have a running mate that just doesn't know how to spell.

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Offensive? Perhaps. I don't apply that to all liberals - just to many.

'Lying liberal coward' is adjective phrase I use quite often. I truly believe that when folks lie in politics, it is usually due to either ignorance or cowardice. I refuse to believe that a congressman or senator is uninformed or ignorant, hence my application of the phrase to many. One or two lies don't earn the title - it takes several and an established pattern of what I would consider deliberate lies/distortions to sway the opinions of the masses to earn that. He's met my requirements.

As a conservative quasi-libertarian, several phrases offend me, including 'sham right to work laws' straight from John Kerry's own website. 'Tax cuts for the rich' when not followed by 'who pay most of the taxes' offends me as well, but I've learned to live with it. (I'm against the structure of Bush's second tax cut and can't in good conscience support it as is, by the way) The 'weak on civil rights because he/she doesn't support affirmative action' lie/mantra really offends the hell out of me, but I've learned to blow that off as well. There are other examples, but I digress.

Politics is offensive sometimes - especially when smear campaigns (Ashcroft(whom I don't like), Bork, Pickering, Fortas, Zoe Baird, et al) come into play. As long as the left continues to cower behind lies and half truths to sway the opinions of the masses, I'm going to be offended. If they're offended by me referring to them as cowards for doing so - their lies insulted my intelligence and payback's a bitch. They can deal with it.

I've applied the 'lying coward' phrase to conservatives as well, by the way. Never yet to a libertarian though, even though I think them somewhat wacky at times.

Sorry if you're offended, but that is what I think of the man.

Cheers,

Vinny the Anvil

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>Or am I wrong?

Of course you're wrong; you're not far enough right. You have to learn to see things through the correct blinders. First, determine if the person you're talking about is a democrat or a republican; only then can you decide right or wrong. Some examples:

-Clinton gets a haircut at LAX; snarls air traffic for hours (later shown to be false)
Correct response: What a greedy, unthinking thing to do!

-Bush flies out to aircraft carrier on a jet; delays arrival of carrier (also later shown to be false)
Correct response: What a leader! Yeehah!

-Kerry serves in Vietnam, then later joins Vietnam Vets Against the War to protest the war.
Correct response: What a lying coward!

-Bush goes AWOL during his national guard service.
Correct response: Finally, a president we can look up to!

So make sure you check who you're talking about before deciding whether what they do is good or bad.

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Funny, but I disagree. Bush the Elder lost because he abandoned his conservatism during his term.

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One or two lies don't earn the title - it takes several and an established pattern of what I would consider deliberate lies/distortions to sway the opinions of the masses to earn that.

So, if they do not find any WMD sometime soon, will you call your current president a lying coward?

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-Bush flies out to aircraft carrier on a jet; delays arrival of carrier (also later shown to be false)
Correct response: What a leader! Yeehah!

I hereby promise that when I am elected President of the United States of America, I will parachute onto the deck of an aircraft carrier. The event will cost the taxpayers nothing, cause PD will sponsor it! Yeah! "Spectre! The canopy of choice of the leader of the free world!"

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Nope. I'd call him the recipient of faulty intelligence. Reread what he said about reasons for regime change and some of ye olde UN resolutions (1441 is a good start, but go back a few).

It would be embarassing for the US politically were that to happen, no doubt about it. If we don't find them, (which I doubt seriously) I at least hope those criticizing us will post pics of the children we released from prison, the mass graves we've uncovered, pics of some gassed Kurdish children, and perhaps a pic of the plastic shredder Qusay threw live folks into as a backdrop to put everything into perspective.

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Can I bee your Secretary of Beer Quality Control after you're elected?

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It would be embarassing for the US politically were that to happen, no doubt about it. If we don't find them, (which I doubt seriously) I at least hope those criticizing us will post pics of the children we released from prison, the mass graves we've uncovered, pics of some gassed Kurdish children, and perhaps a pic of the plastic shredder Qusay threw live folks into as a backdrop to put everything into perspective.

I agree that that would be a great reason to change something, but it was NOT the reason given prior to the war.

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Nope. I'd call him the recipient of faulty intelligence.

Right, so when a guy you like lies it is some one else's fault. But if it is some one you don't like he is a lying coward. Shame you do not apply your standards to all people alike.

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Nope. I'd call him the recipient of faulty intelligence. Reread what he said about reasons for regime change and some of ye olde UN resolutions (1441 is a good start, but go back a few).

But, uh, he's a member of Skull and Bones!!!

He's part of the intel establishment -- hell, he was born into the intel establishment!

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> I at least hope those criticizing us will post pics of the children we
> released from prison, the mass graves we've uncovered, pics of
> some gassed Kurdish children, and perhaps a pic of the plastic
> shredder Qusay threw live folks into as a backdrop to put everything
> into perspective.

And I hope those who think the war was the best thing since sliced bread will post pictures of the children we're keeping in our secret military prison, the children we've killed and maimed with our bombs, and the killing that the terrorists we've supported have done. It's easy to overlook that side of things, given that we did remove a tyrant from power. We should keep in mind that the Iraqis paid a pretty high price for our victory.

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We should keep in mind that the Iraqis paid a pretty high price for our victory.

Are continuing to pay and are becoming quite resentful about.

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Well, at least he showed up for service.

Mother Jones has a political agenda. I doubt Kerry's mates did. Even if they do, they're motivated by a different rationale - they aren't out to "Bork" Kerry - they aren't in a position to. Some of the whining about Kerry looks to be, in all fairness, sour grapes.

His symbolic tossing of his medals over the White House fence is ironic for two reasons:

1. They weren't his.

2. Those medals he was so contemptuous of are now hanging in his office on Capitol Hill.

If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is. You can pour perfume on shit, but it's still shit.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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We should keep in mind that the Iraqis paid a pretty high price for our victory.

Yes they did (in blood) and so did we (in treasure AND blood), but the Iraqis realize they got a bargain. Don't forget that all the gloom and doom about postwar Iraq is whipped up by people who have a vested interest in making even the best of situations look bad, and making unfortunate situations look like absolute catastrophes. "The agony of victory / the thrill of defeat."

I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in political threads once the shooting was over (and speaking of shooting, I've kept my word and stayed the heck out of the gun-control threads ), but I felt compelled to remark on this one. "Skull and Bones". Big fucking deal.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Your examples of political and media silliness go on at every level of the Federal Government every day, and make me damned glad I'm not with Customs anymore.

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"Skull and Bones". Big fucking deal.

Seriously? You don't find the entire concept fascinating? That maybe there's a group of people out there pulling strings in the background, running a shadow government.

Come on!

When such a small group of people has such a huge influence on society, I think that -has- to be looked at. To me, that's intriguing as hell!

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"Skull and Bones". Big fucking deal.

Seriously? You don't find the entire concept fascinating? That maybe there's a group of people out there pulling strings in the background, running a shadow government.

Come on!

When such a small group of people has such a huge influence on society, I think that -has- to be looked at. To me, that's intriguing as hell!

Oh come on yourself! . It's just a silly little bad-boys club, like a "NO GIRLZ ALOUD" treehouse. You have to be invited by the in-crowd, and you have to be a little wacky.
Besides, if they're in a shadow government in the background, then what are they doing in the foreground? Shouldn't they be in the background? - heh

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