bodypilot90 0 #1 May 20, 2003 Oil Rigs House Homeless Fishes May 20, 2003 Jay Reeves writing for the Associated Press out of Orange Beach, Alabama: "Homeland Security is butting heads with good fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. About 4,000 offshore rigs dot the gulf, supplying about a third of the nation's domestic oil and gas supply. The platforms are a vital link in the U.S. energy chain, yet they are virtually unprotected from terrorists. The rigs also are a favorite destination for fishing boats, which bob up and down in their shadows as anglers fight for tuna, marlin and other species that are drawn to the rigs like bugs to a light bulb." This is supposed to be a story in this overall Democrat strategy to paint George W. Bush as weak on homeland security, but it reports something the liberals never intended: fish dig oil rigs! More: "With a sandy, flat floor, the Gulf of Mexico is like a saucer full of water. It does not have many reefs or undersea hills to attract fish, which like to be near structure. Rigs standing in hundreds of feet of water are the ultimate lure, providing cover for both bottom dwellers and top feeders." Here are these oil rigs which we're told are evil, and which Governor Jeb Bush put a stop to, and which are supposedly polluting. They're supposedly an environmental disaster waiting to happen, yet fish love them! It's the equivalent of low-income housing for them in a place where they can't find any reefs. This is exactly like the Alaska oil pipeline. Those who dub themselves "environmentalists" without any credentials claimed that the pipeline would decimate the caribou. Instead, the caribou ended up huddling around the pipes for warmth and making little caribou! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #2 May 21, 2003 I wonder if you're seeing the big picture... It's cute that little fishies like the oil rigs but the potential for total decimation of the environment (including the happy little fishies) is probably more what the "clueless" environmentalists are more concerned about. Just a thought... --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #3 May 21, 2003 Quote wonder if you're seeing the big picture... It's cute that little fishies like the oil rigs but the potential for total decimation of the environment (including the happy little fishies) is probably more what the "clueless" environmentalists are more concerned about. Just a thought... Well speaking as one who spends about 75-90 days a year on the water. I have forgot more than the average manatee hugging and clueless environmentalists will ever know about what goes on out there. I see the big picture, because I'm out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #4 May 21, 2003 ooooh well you got me there! I didn't even know you COULD hug a manatee! --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #5 May 21, 2003 lol don't get me wrong they are so ugly they are cute. Not me the manitee I've spent more than a few hours watching them. And sea turtles and dolphins playing in the lagoon. I feel lucky to live here in florida. However nature can be like a lady, kind at one moment and cruel the next. Life is not with out risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #6 May 21, 2003 exactly. one well placed explosive could kill all the little fish (and generations after them) who simply "love" the oil rig..ive got no real issues with the rig itself, but you really better have some good security measures in place given the potential damage from one serious attack/accident. i'm continually amazed we havent been hit MUCH harder than we have..fortunately the terrorists dont seem to have a real bent for truly creative mayhem. I travel alot and still see huge holes everywhere...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #7 May 21, 2003 Kinda like "Ban Nuclear Submarines", followed by "No, wait, they're great for tracking whales." (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #8 May 21, 2003 >They're supposedly an environmental disaster waiting to happen, yet fish love them! Rats love landfills. Insects love dirty slaughterhouses and battlefields. Anaerobic bacteria love sewage spills. Gonna push for more of those? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #9 May 21, 2003 QuoteJay Reeves writing for the Associated Press out of Orange Beach, Alabama: "Homeland Security is butting heads with good fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. About 4,000 offshore rigs dot the gulf, supplying about a third of the nation's domestic oil and gas supply. The platforms are a vital link in the U.S. energy chain, yet they are virtually unprotected from terrorists. Jay Reeves mispoke. there are no 4,000 offshore oil rigs in the gulf. i believe he meant production platforms, not oil rigs themselves. most of the platforms are set in 400' max water depth and set with 20 well templates so when you finish one well, you just simply skid the rig over the next desired jacket, drive 20" X 1" wall drive pipe, and commence your next project. as to them not being monitored, they are, just no one knows about it, the Coast Gaurd and radar installations are keeping a constant vigil on these installations. you can't even have a 20 barrel spill of any kind without getting busted by the MMS. the spill shows up on their radars.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #10 May 21, 2003 Click Here for the accurate information.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #11 May 21, 2003 "Well speaking as one who spends about 75-90 days a year on the water. I have forgot more than the average manatee hugging and clueless environmentalists will ever know about what goes on out there. I see the big picture, because I'm out there." As a clueless manatee hugger who has spent most of his, to date 20 year, working life on these things; IE up to 240 days a year, in just about every sphere of operation, from the the Arctic circle, to the Ivory coast, from the jungle of Venezuela, to the ice bound seas of Sakhalin Island, I'd say, speaking as an average 'clueless environmentalist', that I am a little more knowledgable than your tireseome generalisation might suggest. It really is a shame you have forgotten so much more than I will ever know, I was wanting to ask you a few things, such the Sox, Nox, and Tox, limits in the Gulf. Have you any idea what the current US standards are on oil in discharged produced water? Does it vary from state to state? EG Alaska vs the Gulf? Maybe an estimate of the tonnage of CO and CO2 production per annum for the Gulf region, and what if any, initiatives were underway in the area to draw your country into line with the rest of the world on greenhouse gas emmissions. Or is your government still steadfastly opposed to the Kyoto accord? And why have they adopted this stance? Put it this way, Khazakhstan has tighter oilfield environmental legislation than you do. I know, because I've worked on projects there as well.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #12 May 21, 2003 QuoteAs a clueless manatee hugger who has spent most of his, to date 20 year, working life on these things ok mr manatee hugger, I got one for you. Are Manatees native to florida waters? How do they affect the sea grass in the area. Where did they come from and why were they brought here? QuoteOr is your government still steadfastly opposed to the Kyoto accord? And why have they adopted this stance? Because it's based on bad research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 May 21, 2003 "I got one for you. Are Manatees native to florida waters? " Manatees are one of four living species in the Order Sirenia, which also includes the West African manatee, the Amazonian manatee, and the dugong. The Manatees in Florida are known as West Indies Manatees, they are closely related to the West African Manatee. They are migratory, and can be found as far west as Alabama, even eastern Texas, as far north as Virginia and the Carolinas, and in the south can be found in inland waterways of Central America and the northern regions of South America. Whether they are native to the region? I don't really know if any migratory species can be described as native to any particular region, suffice to say the English declared the Florida region as a Manatee sanctuary (banned the hunting of these creatures) as far back as the 1700's, which, if I recall correctly was before you guys even had a government. So I'm guessing that manatees have been around longer than power boat owners, and people who spend 90 days a year on the water. So I have answered to the best of my knowledge one of your questions, even though you asked four. Quid quo pro mofo, get me an estimate of the Sox, Nox and Tox emmissions from the offshore developments in the Gulf region, failing that an estimate of the tonnage of CO2 emmisions, and I'll do the chemistry for you.... Kyoto accord.... "Because it's based on bad research." What? Are you saying that greenhouse gas, and particulate emissions have no effect on the environment? Well fuck me, I guess the rest of the world is wrong and the US is right, again. By the way, I would have answered you sooner, but one of my clients (Kerr Mcgee, the first company to put rigs offshore in the gulf) have a problem with one of their floating production units which I'm trying to fix for them. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #14 May 21, 2003 Thank god we have those polluting rigs out there. What did fish do before there were oil and production rigs in the water?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #15 May 21, 2003 >I see the big picture, because I'm out there. That's like saying you are an expert civil engineer because you spend so much time driving on roads, or know all about architecture because you live in a building. There is more to many areas of study than you can glean by looking at the surface. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 May 21, 2003 No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #17 May 21, 2003 QuoteWhat did fish do before there were oil and production rigs in the water? The rigs do, in fact, provide some protective environment. In fact, some abandoned ones are supported for that reason. I think because of the increase in overall ocean traffic (yes, I'm sure some of that is due to the rigs, too), there have been some effects on the Gulf (bear with me, I'm making some of this up as I go along). The fish would probably be better off with no rigs and no traffic. I'm not sure we would. However, I don't think this means that we should go do whatever the hell we want to in the ocean or anywhere else because we can remediate the damage. We can't, and remediation usually isn't as good as not breaking it in the first place. Cancer drugs kill, too. We don't want to do without them, but you don't use them unless you really really have to, either. It's a huge management issue to make sure the patient stays alive while you try to keep them alive. Prevention tends to work better there, too. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #18 May 21, 2003 Putting objects on the sandy bottom of the gulf does help the fish population. There are lots of projects involved in that mission that are unrelated to the oil industry. Fish populations aren't the justification for offshore drilling. That is about the oil. As an example of a way to help the fish without the potential of oil spills or being the target terrorist attacks, look into "Reefex." The US Army worked with the Environmental Protection Agency, state Fish & Wildlife agencies, and others to clean obsolete equipment and make artificial fish reefs. Pictures and articles here: http://www.jennandjustin.com/photos-reefex-intro.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 May 21, 2003 When I was young I lived in Jacksonville Beach Fl and we used to do some serious fishing and diving on some of the artificial reefs off of the St Johns River mouth. Most of those have been there for about 60 years now provided to the state of Florida by the German Navy. Any obstruction on the sandy bottom of the waters of the continental shelf provide habitat for marine life. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #20 May 21, 2003 Quotenature can be like a lady, kind at one moment and cruel the next I am right there with you, man! Cruel nature... all the more reason to fuck that bitch up. It's us or her, and frankly, I vote us. I hate manatees. I hate fish except when I am eating Sushi, which I do simply to fuck those fishes up good. Nothing better than eating fish raw to send the message that you hate them so much that you can't even wait the 5 minutes it would take to fry them up. Yeah, the oil platforms are good for the fish. But I know that one or two accidents and those fishies are as good as GONE! Hell yes. It is worth being nice to the fish if it lulls them into a false sense of security. It will be so great when mama fish and papa fish, having just watched their baby fish graduate from school, see their whole world go to shit in a cloud of black crude oil. This is what helps me sleep at night... After that, we can go after the crabs, the whales, the tubeworms, the plankton, and the friggin hairless cats. Don't get me startedon those cats.. truly an aberation of nature in need of correction if there ever was one. Call me crazy, but I just hate nature. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #21 May 21, 2003 QuotePutting objects on the sandy bottom of the gulf does help the fish population. There are lots of projects involved in that mission that are unrelated to the oil industry. Fish populations aren't the justification for offshore drilling. That is about the oil. Well, the start of this thread was using the fish as a piece of justification for both the oil exploration and yet another opportunity to bash liberals. The fish do like them. I agree entirely that there are other ways to end up with things the fish like. I just don't think we're ready to do without oil exploration, but I for damn sure don't want folks to think that just because the fish are helped in one way, it's OK to do whatever the heck you want to. It's not. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #22 May 21, 2003 Wendy, I know. And I know that you know. You were just the last poster in the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #23 May 21, 2003 Crapflinger, please post more often. That was hilarious! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #24 May 21, 2003 Quote have been there for about 60 years now provided to the state of Florida by the German Navy. did you ever dive to the USS Strength? someone told me it was the closest freighter sunk by a uboat during ww2. Its a great dive! I went there as part of my graduation dive for my SSI license.. i want to get back into scuba, but dont think i can afford two expensive hobbies...might have to make one of them a job instead..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #25 May 21, 2003 Quote Well, the start of this thread was using the fish as a piece of justification for both the oil exploration and yet another opportunity to bash liberals. 1st the purpose was to show that big bad oil isn't always bad. Me bash liberals? I'm hurt, sniff sniff, na not me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
