quade 4 #1 May 28, 2003 Just trying to understand what most people believed was meant when they opted to send in or not send in their USPA Proxy. http://uspa.org/news/current_news/vote.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #2 May 29, 2003 I'm a firm believer in the representative system since historically many people tend to vote for what is good for themselves while ignoring the larger issues, so I sent in my proxy paperwork last time it was requested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #3 May 29, 2003 However, do you believe that the BOD (or Congress for that matter) will govern with what is good for the general populace, or what is best for their own interest? You see, it swings both ways. I believe that if we have individual voting, then it averages out to what is desired for the whole. If we give our 'vote' to another (proxy), then there is a possibility for abuse. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #4 May 29, 2003 QuoteHowever, do you believe that the BOD (or Congress for that matter) will govern with what is good for the general populace, or what is best for their own interest? You see, it swings both ways. I believe that if we have individual voting, then it averages out to what is desired for the whole. If we give our 'vote' to another (proxy), then there is a possibility for abuse. ltdiver We (USPA) have the BOD we deserve. If they're untrustworthy, shame on us.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geronimo 1 #5 May 29, 2003 QuoteHowever, do you believe that the BOD (or Congress for that matter) will govern with what is good for the general populace, or what is best for their own interest? You see, it swings both ways. I believe that if we have individual voting, then it averages out to what is desired for the whole. If we give our 'vote' to another (proxy), then there is a possibility for abuse. ltdiver Some Definitions: Signer A Signer is the person signing a proxy. Assignee An Assignee is the member that a proxy is assigned to. General Proxy A general proxy gives the Assignee the right to vote as the Assignee sees fit on all issues and motions. Limited Proxy A limited proxy is a signed proxy that the Signer stipulates the way the Assignee is to vote on specific issues. The Assignee must cast the Signer's vote the way the Signer designated on the proxy. ... The proxy in the May 2003 issue of Parachutist is a limited proxy. You designate your choice on each issue. The Assignee cannot change that. If you change your mind, you may revoke your proxy by any of these methods: Revocation of Proxies A member may revoke a properly executed proxy at any time before its exercise by: Delivering a written notice of revocation to USPA; Delivering another proxy that is dated later than the original proxy; Attending the General Membership Meeting and giving notice of revocation to the meeting Teller or Attending the General Membership Meeting and voting by ballot.--- I have a dream that my posts will one day will not be judged by the color of the fonts or settings in a Profile but by the content. Geronimo_AT_http://ParachuteHistory.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 May 29, 2003 As you can see by the poll, only a minority of folks understood this.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #7 May 29, 2003 Quote Just trying to understand what most people believed was meant when they opted to send in or not send in their USPA Proxy. http://uspa.org/news/current_news/vote.htm I'll talk about skydiving. I'll talk about politics (EXCEPT at boogies!). But skydiving politics is just too much! "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #8 May 30, 2003 Thanks Jan for the details. I was commenting on General Proxies in my post. Isn't that what USPA wanted us to vote with last year? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 May 30, 2003 And even -with- Jan's explaination, people are -still- confused.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #10 May 30, 2003 The proxies can, will, and do count for a quorum. Once that is established, there is nothing stating the person even has to vote the proxies. The holder of the proxy can choose to abstain from all voting, or only decide to vote for themselves. In order for a vote to carry, you do not need a majority of the people (or proxies) in attendence, only a majority of votes cast. 501 for, 500 against, and 2,750 abstained carries the motion. If a person has 500 yes and 500 no votes in proxies on an agenda item, what do you think will happen? Edit: p.s. Quade, at least we agree on the Regional Director issue.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites