jtval 0 #1 May 30, 2003 i didnt read the whole thread beofre but I wonder if the guy at the end,lying on the table, is cypher? he WAS reinserted what better way to get an AGENT out then to put Cypher to the job... anyway Its late, Im at work and we JUST put the 1st matrix on! so I thought I would send this to see what you all thinkMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #2 May 30, 2003 DON"T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T YET SEEN THE 2ND ONE!!!!!! tHIS WILL SPOIL IT!!!! 2 men rush for phone, talking about how agents came from nowhere and how they must get some little thing out of the matrix (it is the hardware from the Oracle that is given later to Neo with the time and place to meet the guardian of the oracle) 1st guy gets out, 2nd gets taken over by Agent smith This 2nd guy, seen as another agent smith, answers the phone and leaves the matrix... a guy cuts hand with knife whilst sneaking up on Neo (& trinity, morpheus etc) to attack him, is spotted so stops and boy Neo saved acts as distraction as he turns up with the "spoon" from an orphan (think back to scene in oracle's apartment in 1st matrix, "Come to realise the truth: that there is no spoon...") A guy urges his captain to answer the calls of the council to go to the aid and to find the nebacandezza (please 'scuse spelling) but captain tells him to stowe it A guy sets off the EMP early, alerting the machines to the counter attack and turing a counter attack into a bloodbath of the ships and of Zion. A guy is the only survivor of the massacre of the humans. They are the same one guy, and he is the one smith took over in the matrix. I think it comes to be seen that the "real world" is not so. Neo can drop the machines because of his skills learnt in the next construct, the matrix. Because the real world may also be a construct, Agent smith can take over the body of that guy we keep seeing. That last bits just a hypothesis, but the rest I picked up and reassured when I saw matrix2 again...see it again and look out for him... ps nice to see you're ok Joe, xxxxxxxxxj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #3 May 30, 2003 you know Ive been wanting to see ti again. I guess I will! there are a lot of things I missed! I know the theory is he is SMith. but b/c I was trying to figure a way to justify the real world I was trying to find out how smith entered it.or even another construct! either way he mustve been HARDWIRED into another human so he was able to slip into that construct. but then the whole thing about Smith neing set free doesnt make sense to me either. I guess I should go see it when I have been awake for less then 27 hours huh!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #4 May 30, 2003 QuoteI wonder if the guy at the end,lying on the table, is cypher I thought it was Cypher too, but I'm not that good with faces. My g/f said it was the guy that was sneaking up on Neo with the knife, and that made more sense. Now that Jasmin has posted that he is in various parts of the movie, I'll have to see it again.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #5 May 30, 2003 Didnt notice it the 1st time???? what the heck were you guys doing at the theater? Going to 2nd base???? Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #6 May 30, 2003 I have trouble with faces. White people with short hair all look alike to me.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #7 May 30, 2003 well it didnt look like cypher but they they reinserted him. its a digital visualization of oneself. if he was reinserted they could have REPROGRAMMED himMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #8 May 30, 2003 i don't think it could be cypher... he was killed in 'the real world' at the end of the first movie. if he re-appeared, it would confirm that the 'real world' with zion and all that is a parallel matrix and that the real cypher (and everyone else) is still in the pod farms outside of the matrix and the ... other matrix. now i've gone and confused myself. "Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #9 May 30, 2003 OH YEA! i forgot he was fried! oops blows that theory...maybeMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 May 30, 2003 If you have played "Enter The Matrix" you would know that the guy at the end is Bane (same guy that said "God" then the Agent says "Smith will do" as he sticks his hand in him and takes him over - the picking up the phone and getting into Zion). They show Bane in the game walking on a ship just after he kills the entire crew - then they cut to Lock saying "What the hell!" when an EMP goes off leaving a hole in "the line." So, Bane is Smith somehow - guess we will find out. The "line" is the attack plan that Lock comes up with - Setting up each ship just out of EMP reach of each other so they can all fire their EMP's at the same time to take out the majority of the machines. However Bane fires an EMP while a good portion of the ships are still together. The game ends with the machines just three hours outside of Zion. Some other interesting bits from the game - Ghost is in Love with Trinity and the Oracle told him she would never be his. The Logos is left stranded, dead in the water at the end of the game - they had to fire their EMP before they shut down. They saw the setinels sitting just outide their range and decided to run before they threw the bomb at them. However they couldn't outrun them, so they fired the EMP. Everyone on the Logos is still alive. 72 hours. That is how long Zion lasted last time the machines attack. "An Observer" walks by and tells Naiobi this during the game - apparently a rogue program that was around last time (played by the wacky pilot from the Mad Max movies). From the Revolutions trailer at the end of the game, it looks like this guy will be in the next movie. The actor that played the Oracle died before she filmed her parts in Revolutions - she finished up most of her scenes for Reloaded. The new actor is in the game and explains why she looks different. Two rouge programs sold the termination code to her previous shell to the Merovigian to protect their child (seems like this child is an import factor). Merovigian also warned the Oracle to stay out of the affairs of the One or he would end her. She then goes on and spouts a ton of stuff about choice, how everyone's choice affects the path of the One, how the One has seperated himself from the Source and that the end is near, yes, the end of everything she says. Apparently she knows how this is all going to end. The Oracle refers to Smith as the Shadow that is overtaking the world. That is about all I can remember for the moment._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #11 May 30, 2003 Quote White people with short hair all look alike to me Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #12 May 30, 2003 okay, so apparently i have to see the movie again, probably a couple of times, then buy the game and play it, then i have to buy the animatrix in june... just so i know what the hell is going on. those guys are marketing geniuses if nothing else!!"Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 May 30, 2003 Don't forget the music they choose for the films as well. I'm think they use the songs/lyrics to add just a bit more to the scene they are in - esp the Rage Against the Machine Songs. Here is another intersting bit I found out the other day: Thomas Anderson. In the first movie he was a Doubting Thomas. The Root of Anderson is Andos which means Man. Thomas the son of man. the Brothers Wachowski said they did this on purpose. I like it when the extra effort is put into the making of a movie - I'm enjoying the story more than the action in these flicks now._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #14 May 30, 2003 That Bane guy could have smith in him because smith took over the android (bionics) part of him and that's how he can exist in the "real"world >> he is living in the android part. my firend says smith/bane will infect the big machines in the bowels of Zion with Smithness and destroy Zion that way, by making everything all catty-wampus down there. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #15 May 30, 2003 there was a lot of extra effort put into the movie. a good read about it Here I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 May 30, 2003 Quoteokay, so apparently i have to see the movie again, probably a couple of times, then buy the game and play it, then i have to buy the animatrix in june... just so i know what the hell is going on. those guys are marketing geniuses if nothing else!! exactly..but artistically its VERY ANNOYING..at some point you just wish they would release all the production materials in one place so you get the whole plot line without having to jump 'interfaces'. but then thats part of the point as well.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #17 May 30, 2003 i heard the game was terrible, and only worth a rent to look up the cheat codes to see the extra footage if you wanted to see the whole story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #18 May 31, 2003 The game is OK at best - the PC version is buggy and they released two patches for it the day it came out. It suffers on the console systems as well, esp in the frame rate department (I've seen the FMV stutter for no reasons on the PS2 and Xbox version). Some of the levels are unnecissarly large with nothing happening other than you running from room to room with zero interaction with the environment. The majority of the game has you running from door to door to get to new chapters. Between the doors you kill a bunch of officials trying to stop you (security guards, SWAT, etc). You will run into agents and then run away from them - in fact you spend three full levels in a row running away from Smith. (BTW - you look like the T1000 from T2 when you are running). For the most part, it is a button masher, esp early on. As the game continues you get a little bit better at learning how to pull some moves off - but it is frustrating at best since "attack" is only one button and you are never quite sure which move you will do. The fights do look cool, and the bullet/focus time is fun at times but I believe that Max Payne did a much better job of using that trick. In Enter the Matrix once you enter bullet time just hit the fire button and you will auto aim and shoot everyone in your FOV - in Max Payne you slow down but move your aiming in real time giving full control over who and what you want to shoot. In fact -once you have enough ammo you find it becomes much easier to move thru the levels by shooting instead of fighting. The majority of the really cool moves are done by the computer in cutscenes. There is a total of 25-30 FMV's in the video game once you finish both Ghost and Naiobi - the stuff towards the end of the game really throws a lot at you, much like the movie the majority of the story comes in one long dialog scene. I was disappointed in this game (Shinny has done much better in the past, esp on the graphics) and had much higher hopes for it, esp with the way Max Payne used bullet time. However, they had to make a game that would work for just about anyone, which is what they did. I will be selling this one back to EBgames._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #19 May 31, 2003 I enjoyed it, but I don't know what the hell is going on with the story anymore. My wife has decided she no longer trusts the oracle lady, which would figure, she's just too nice & lovable. Those albino rasta ghost dudes are COOL - we'll be seeing plenty of them at Halloween parties this year, bet on it ! Agent Smith by the way is Elrond, the Elf King in Lord of the Rings, so hopefully that adds another complicated twist to the plot... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #20 June 1, 2003 simple the real world is another matrix. its purpose is to solve the anomaly created by the needed possibility of choice for some humans. its a simple cycle (now for the 6th time) in which they start with a few "free" humans which free others, until "the one" leads them right when Zion is about to be destroyed. then the one chooses to save zion (which Neo didnt) and the cycle starts again... they had a little too many clues for that , which kinda spoils the surprise of the third movie where Neo will learn to "do his superman thing" in the real world too... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #21 June 1, 2003 Yup...there is a Matrix INSIDE another Matrix.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #22 June 1, 2003 nope its outside but i guess it depends if you look at it from the inside or from the outside... i think i'll shut up now O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #23 June 2, 2003 i rented the game, and have played some of it....the story from another perspective is really cool, even if the game itself kinda sucks. also, it was brought up before that you never see an agent "exit" a body--in the game you do, and the guy just says he doesnt remember how he got where he is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #24 June 2, 2003 well.. probability says that we really ARE all simulations... read Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #25 June 7, 2003 Quote simple the real world is another matrix. That's exactly what I said!xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
