Push 0 #26 June 12, 2003 Ok, so now we are reaching a solution. Alter the posting rules, make the locking conditions more explicit, and maybe add a blurb about speculation in S&T or something. Sangiro? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #27 June 12, 2003 FliegendeWolf is not invited to my table for free beer as he probably doesn't have the proper age/ID to show. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #28 June 12, 2003 Amen. Sangiro? -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #29 June 12, 2003 some body woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning I'm happy that a site like this exists, don't like the rule take the 'tude somewhere else........please!!! I look forward to coming to this site to get away from the shit, and "dood" is just trying to start shit. just my $0.02 dude _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #30 June 12, 2003 I'm upset that there is a chance of loss of life. Period. "When people refuse to follow rules" Again, AFREAKINGAIN, ONCE AGAIN - Although the Roger Nelson incident forum got off track, it got back on track, after a warning was given I might add. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #31 June 12, 2003 "I look forward to coming to this site to get away from the shit, and "dood" is just trying to start shit." I'm not trying to start shit. I'm trying to save lives. Read my original post. Bring your shit somewhere else, how long have you been in the sport there killer?? DOOD -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #32 June 12, 2003 First Name: A Last Name: K Nick Name: The Beav City: Denver State: Colorado ZIP: 80204 Country: United States Region: North America Home DZ: Colorado License: A 25148 Licensing Org: USPA Number of Jumps: 500 +/- You appear to be a troll. Nothing personal, but normally I'd tell a troll to fuck off. In person. Maybe you're not. CanuckInUSA? You know this guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #33 June 12, 2003 QuoteChill out about something I care so deeply about? Having only 7 jumps I couldn't ask you to understand. Good with 500-/+ you've got it ALL figured outKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #34 June 12, 2003 QuoteI'd buy you all a beer any day as you are all very cool people in my book, even you Lou sorry about getting all peeved). If you knew me, and many here have met me, you would find that I am a standup guy. Sangiro is trying to keep the feelings of the family members and relatives of people involved in these accidents in mind. Which is why he has asked repeatedly that discussions deviating from facts surrounding the incident, Ie: speculation, what if's, I knew that person and so on from clouding the facts. If you want to see how it can become stressful for family members reading about things that are sometime said take a look back at Holly's thread where there was speculation about her contacts. Thats the type of shit that needs to be avoided in the incident forum. that topic of discussion can be held in a more appropriate forum and not cloud the incident with speculation not infringe on the feelings of the family members."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SadSue 0 #35 June 12, 2003 QuoteIn reply to: This is his house, he can lock what he pleases and require people to access as many different places as he feels like in order to get information. _____________________________________________ That's right, "his House" and Im sure he can speak for himself. Why are you taking it upon yourself to argue someoneelses point. This is supposed to be your POST! It was you who told someone else to leave!! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #36 June 12, 2003 Ok this is going down the locking path and quickly. I just want to get in before this thread gets locked to say something. The name calling and penis comparing is what is getting this thread locked, and not anything else. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #37 June 12, 2003 Gawd - I've been in the sport for ten years. The reason I don't have more jumps is becuase I've had two knee replacements. Also, I've never personally met Canuck as I just went out to Mile Hi for the first time in a year due to my second knee replacement. Bottomline - to all, I SINCERELY apologize for getting all bent out of shape. I am not a Troll, I care about each and everyone of you and am only trying to further that love. I apologize about the snive 7 jump remark. I've seen too friends go in over the ten years I've been in the sport, that is enough for me to have one thing figured out - the more we can do to prevent it the better. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ALL that I've gotten in the face of in this thread I was only trying to facilitate change. Lou - especially you, I am sorry for being an ass - I've read all of your posts over the past year or so and you are a very standup individual and getting back to your second post - you are right - we all want to save the most lives we can. "If you want to see how it can become stressful for family members reading about things that are sometime said take a look back at Holly's thread where there was speculation about her contacts." Because of that speculation, I now carry glasses with me in my jumpsuit to hopefully save my life and maybe someone elses in case that ever happened to me. Seriuosly - to all - I do have great love for all of you, 7 jumps, 1, 38, 4000. Skydiving is the only thing that has kept me sane after two knee replacements. I miss jumping, I did 400 jumps in my first 2.5 years so I would like to think I am rather competent. I miss hanging with jumpers on the DZ more than anyone can know as you are all really truly honest and good people. I just want to see one more of you saved thats all, nothing more. Please accept my humble apologies. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divingduck 0 #38 June 12, 2003 Quote Again, AFREAKINGAIN, ONCE AGAIN - Although the Roger Nelson incident forum got off track, it got back on track, after a warning was given I might add. OMG, honestly, do you have anything better to do than bitch about one freaking thread? A guy died here and all you can do is bitch that you can't keep talking about him Let him rest in peace! DOOD!!!!! It really doesn't matter that ONE FREAKING THREAD GOT LOCKED! Why don't you start a new thread about that HIM and not your LACK OF CONCERN!!! [/rant] PS: where is Aggiedave when you need him? If I loved you anymore I would have a stroke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #39 June 12, 2003 Blech. If this were a democracy I'd vote for banning this nut and locking the thread. Just making a bad day worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #40 June 12, 2003 cyber beers are in order for anybody who hijack this thread. Aggie dave you in??? One word: BOOBIES!!!!!!! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #41 June 12, 2003 Please read my post above. I am not trying to piss anyone off here although I freely admit I got out of hand. I am not trying to be a nut. I am only trying to save lives. That is my only goal here, and IMHO speculation is a good source/learning tool in the Incident forum. divingduck - I am ranting because I just want to make damn well sure that in the future that when the next Roger incident occurs the right actions will be taken. I guess I just miss Roger. Did you know Roger? Did Roger allow you on 100 ways with 92 jumps? Did he trust in your skills?? Did he make you feel like a rock star which in turn boosted your confidence levels and allowed you to do things in the sport that 150 jump wonders aren't supossed to be able to do??? You are right though - I will cease with the [rant], and I do offer my humble apologies for coming across as an ass. If you read my other posts in the forum, this and the Roger thread are the only ones that I believe I should come across as an ass in as that was indeed my intent. I now see however, that it isn't really getting me anywhere and retract my assness. Dood. Dude. Friend. Whatever you want to call yourself. Period. BTW - the balloon rocked on Sunday at mile hi, call frank, he will confirm my presence i.e. I am not a troll. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #42 June 12, 2003 You have my second, and divingduck approves the motion being as we are post whoring from the same comp. _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyz 0 #43 June 12, 2003 Thanks Lou!!!! Most of there NEW skydivers forget that the skydiver that pass away has family and will come read the forms.... And with specultion will hurt them more!! I know I was on the receiving end of one!!!!(Holly) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #44 June 12, 2003 Come hang out with us at the DZ, once a skydiver always a skydiver. I'll buy the first round"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #45 June 12, 2003 Quote I'm not trying to start shit. I'm trying to save lives. Read my original post. Bring your shit somewhere else, how long have you been in the sport there killer?? DOOD sounds like a personal attack to me anybody else? _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #46 June 12, 2003 No personal attack - please read my apology, but its not a personal attack. My only gripe is that you probably didn't know Roger. Again, I retract and apologize from the bottom of my heart and am sorry for trying to fasciliate change in the incorrrect fashion (i.e. for all that can't don't won't understand, I realize I fukked up in the way I tried to make my point and am truly sorry). I have no beef with anyone. I love all of you and I truly mean that. I'll jump with anyone regardless of how cool their gear is or how many jumps they have. Sincerely, Andrew -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scrumpot 1 #47 June 12, 2003 QuoteMY POINT IS, and let me be clear unlike you - no rules were broken in the Incident thread about Roger Nelson. We've now heard your point. Personally I do not think it is invalid either. Problem is that the HH himself (apparently) does not agree. It's now up to you whether you are willing to accept that or not. I've been admonished by the moderators in the past too, but I certainly did not go on a tirade over it. The "rules" in here are fairly simple ...(we cetrainly DON'T need chapters & verses of annotated code do we?) & oft times subject to interperetation. The final word on that interperetation is Sangiro's (and his designated moderators). Although LouD was indeed being "gruff", his point is also not invalid either. If any of us don't like it, we don't have to be here. I think that we can find ways to all "appropriately" participate in here. The whole reason for taking part in a MODERATED forum is to not have it degenerate into the alternative ---which I have since "defected" from (at wreck-dot). Post something over THERE some time & see what happens to you. There has to be some acceptance of the trade-off's inherent in this "structure" then if you are going to participate. Or again, it is your choice not to. Even if we did stipulate that your point was TECHNICALLY CORRECT (which by-the-way, I do also personally think it IS): "The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents." PERIOD and that no rules were broken ...again it is within the HH's purview to further interperet that, and lock a thread AT HIS DISCRETION. ...Heck, he may even yet lock mine. I've started another one over there, I think asking ON TOPIC, valid QUESTIONS about the incident. Maybe someone can help us out by answering them? I think the matter that Sangiro wanted to "bounce" you over to talk back for was precisely THIS "debate". ...I don't see how anything is "broken" there. We're now having it, aren't we? As long as we stay "TOPICAL" within the TOPICAL forums; to date, I have not had any issue with this structure. My .02 ....and then some, eh? coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #48 June 12, 2003 Right on scrumpot - I guess in all honesty, it feels like people just don't care too much about what happened at SDC and I miss Roger very deeply. For my tirade I apologized and apologize again. I will now back down from my dumb pedestal and conform to this forum once again. I sincerely think that this is a great place and the moderators do a great job. I agree - everyone makes great points in this particular thread minus the bashing on me and all () and after relaxing and taking a deep breath, I'm feeling pretty bad at the moment for getting so bent out of shape. Honestly - please believe that. For awhile now, DZ.com has been my only connection to the jumper world with this bum knee of mine and having Roger die compounded the depression I've been feeling lately. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #49 June 12, 2003 dude i read it. i missed it, my apoligies too, but yea i guess my point would be is to wait with the speculation till after the mourning is through no we did not know roger or 30 of the 31 people who died in the last 12 months. but they are still brothers and sisters, you know. Like in this thread as with the thread that got locked people say dumb shit (me included) when they are more emotional. which might be reason to wait to speculate? the way it sounded to me was that people were getting pretty emotional. i'd just say wait a day and repost when people have cooled down. peace bro! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #50 June 12, 2003 BTW - your shit was not dumb. My semi-persobal attack was dumb. My emotions were getting out of hand and that was dumb. Seriously - blue skys and EXCEPTIONAL health to all of you and yours. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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LouDiamond 1 #34 June 12, 2003 QuoteI'd buy you all a beer any day as you are all very cool people in my book, even you Lou sorry about getting all peeved). If you knew me, and many here have met me, you would find that I am a standup guy. Sangiro is trying to keep the feelings of the family members and relatives of people involved in these accidents in mind. Which is why he has asked repeatedly that discussions deviating from facts surrounding the incident, Ie: speculation, what if's, I knew that person and so on from clouding the facts. If you want to see how it can become stressful for family members reading about things that are sometime said take a look back at Holly's thread where there was speculation about her contacts. Thats the type of shit that needs to be avoided in the incident forum. that topic of discussion can be held in a more appropriate forum and not cloud the incident with speculation not infringe on the feelings of the family members."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SadSue 0 #35 June 12, 2003 QuoteIn reply to: This is his house, he can lock what he pleases and require people to access as many different places as he feels like in order to get information. _____________________________________________ That's right, "his House" and Im sure he can speak for himself. Why are you taking it upon yourself to argue someoneelses point. This is supposed to be your POST! It was you who told someone else to leave!! Hope you don't get Banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #36 June 12, 2003 Ok this is going down the locking path and quickly. I just want to get in before this thread gets locked to say something. The name calling and penis comparing is what is getting this thread locked, and not anything else. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #37 June 12, 2003 Gawd - I've been in the sport for ten years. The reason I don't have more jumps is becuase I've had two knee replacements. Also, I've never personally met Canuck as I just went out to Mile Hi for the first time in a year due to my second knee replacement. Bottomline - to all, I SINCERELY apologize for getting all bent out of shape. I am not a Troll, I care about each and everyone of you and am only trying to further that love. I apologize about the snive 7 jump remark. I've seen too friends go in over the ten years I've been in the sport, that is enough for me to have one thing figured out - the more we can do to prevent it the better. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ALL that I've gotten in the face of in this thread I was only trying to facilitate change. Lou - especially you, I am sorry for being an ass - I've read all of your posts over the past year or so and you are a very standup individual and getting back to your second post - you are right - we all want to save the most lives we can. "If you want to see how it can become stressful for family members reading about things that are sometime said take a look back at Holly's thread where there was speculation about her contacts." Because of that speculation, I now carry glasses with me in my jumpsuit to hopefully save my life and maybe someone elses in case that ever happened to me. Seriuosly - to all - I do have great love for all of you, 7 jumps, 1, 38, 4000. Skydiving is the only thing that has kept me sane after two knee replacements. I miss jumping, I did 400 jumps in my first 2.5 years so I would like to think I am rather competent. I miss hanging with jumpers on the DZ more than anyone can know as you are all really truly honest and good people. I just want to see one more of you saved thats all, nothing more. Please accept my humble apologies. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divingduck 0 #38 June 12, 2003 Quote Again, AFREAKINGAIN, ONCE AGAIN - Although the Roger Nelson incident forum got off track, it got back on track, after a warning was given I might add. OMG, honestly, do you have anything better to do than bitch about one freaking thread? A guy died here and all you can do is bitch that you can't keep talking about him Let him rest in peace! DOOD!!!!! It really doesn't matter that ONE FREAKING THREAD GOT LOCKED! Why don't you start a new thread about that HIM and not your LACK OF CONCERN!!! [/rant] PS: where is Aggiedave when you need him? If I loved you anymore I would have a stroke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #39 June 12, 2003 Blech. If this were a democracy I'd vote for banning this nut and locking the thread. Just making a bad day worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #40 June 12, 2003 cyber beers are in order for anybody who hijack this thread. Aggie dave you in??? One word: BOOBIES!!!!!!! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #41 June 12, 2003 Please read my post above. I am not trying to piss anyone off here although I freely admit I got out of hand. I am not trying to be a nut. I am only trying to save lives. That is my only goal here, and IMHO speculation is a good source/learning tool in the Incident forum. divingduck - I am ranting because I just want to make damn well sure that in the future that when the next Roger incident occurs the right actions will be taken. I guess I just miss Roger. Did you know Roger? Did Roger allow you on 100 ways with 92 jumps? Did he trust in your skills?? Did he make you feel like a rock star which in turn boosted your confidence levels and allowed you to do things in the sport that 150 jump wonders aren't supossed to be able to do??? You are right though - I will cease with the [rant], and I do offer my humble apologies for coming across as an ass. If you read my other posts in the forum, this and the Roger thread are the only ones that I believe I should come across as an ass in as that was indeed my intent. I now see however, that it isn't really getting me anywhere and retract my assness. Dood. Dude. Friend. Whatever you want to call yourself. Period. BTW - the balloon rocked on Sunday at mile hi, call frank, he will confirm my presence i.e. I am not a troll. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #42 June 12, 2003 You have my second, and divingduck approves the motion being as we are post whoring from the same comp. _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflyz 0 #43 June 12, 2003 Thanks Lou!!!! Most of there NEW skydivers forget that the skydiver that pass away has family and will come read the forms.... And with specultion will hurt them more!! I know I was on the receiving end of one!!!!(Holly) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #44 June 12, 2003 Come hang out with us at the DZ, once a skydiver always a skydiver. I'll buy the first round"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #45 June 12, 2003 Quote I'm not trying to start shit. I'm trying to save lives. Read my original post. Bring your shit somewhere else, how long have you been in the sport there killer?? DOOD sounds like a personal attack to me anybody else? _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #46 June 12, 2003 No personal attack - please read my apology, but its not a personal attack. My only gripe is that you probably didn't know Roger. Again, I retract and apologize from the bottom of my heart and am sorry for trying to fasciliate change in the incorrrect fashion (i.e. for all that can't don't won't understand, I realize I fukked up in the way I tried to make my point and am truly sorry). I have no beef with anyone. I love all of you and I truly mean that. I'll jump with anyone regardless of how cool their gear is or how many jumps they have. Sincerely, Andrew -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scrumpot 1 #47 June 12, 2003 QuoteMY POINT IS, and let me be clear unlike you - no rules were broken in the Incident thread about Roger Nelson. We've now heard your point. Personally I do not think it is invalid either. Problem is that the HH himself (apparently) does not agree. It's now up to you whether you are willing to accept that or not. I've been admonished by the moderators in the past too, but I certainly did not go on a tirade over it. The "rules" in here are fairly simple ...(we cetrainly DON'T need chapters & verses of annotated code do we?) & oft times subject to interperetation. The final word on that interperetation is Sangiro's (and his designated moderators). Although LouD was indeed being "gruff", his point is also not invalid either. If any of us don't like it, we don't have to be here. I think that we can find ways to all "appropriately" participate in here. The whole reason for taking part in a MODERATED forum is to not have it degenerate into the alternative ---which I have since "defected" from (at wreck-dot). Post something over THERE some time & see what happens to you. There has to be some acceptance of the trade-off's inherent in this "structure" then if you are going to participate. Or again, it is your choice not to. Even if we did stipulate that your point was TECHNICALLY CORRECT (which by-the-way, I do also personally think it IS): "The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents." PERIOD and that no rules were broken ...again it is within the HH's purview to further interperet that, and lock a thread AT HIS DISCRETION. ...Heck, he may even yet lock mine. I've started another one over there, I think asking ON TOPIC, valid QUESTIONS about the incident. Maybe someone can help us out by answering them? I think the matter that Sangiro wanted to "bounce" you over to talk back for was precisely THIS "debate". ...I don't see how anything is "broken" there. We're now having it, aren't we? As long as we stay "TOPICAL" within the TOPICAL forums; to date, I have not had any issue with this structure. My .02 ....and then some, eh? coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #48 June 12, 2003 Right on scrumpot - I guess in all honesty, it feels like people just don't care too much about what happened at SDC and I miss Roger very deeply. For my tirade I apologized and apologize again. I will now back down from my dumb pedestal and conform to this forum once again. I sincerely think that this is a great place and the moderators do a great job. I agree - everyone makes great points in this particular thread minus the bashing on me and all () and after relaxing and taking a deep breath, I'm feeling pretty bad at the moment for getting so bent out of shape. Honestly - please believe that. For awhile now, DZ.com has been my only connection to the jumper world with this bum knee of mine and having Roger die compounded the depression I've been feeling lately. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #49 June 12, 2003 dude i read it. i missed it, my apoligies too, but yea i guess my point would be is to wait with the speculation till after the mourning is through no we did not know roger or 30 of the 31 people who died in the last 12 months. but they are still brothers and sisters, you know. Like in this thread as with the thread that got locked people say dumb shit (me included) when they are more emotional. which might be reason to wait to speculate? the way it sounded to me was that people were getting pretty emotional. i'd just say wait a day and repost when people have cooled down. peace bro! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakydiver 0 #50 June 12, 2003 BTW - your shit was not dumb. My semi-persobal attack was dumb. My emotions were getting out of hand and that was dumb. Seriously - blue skys and EXCEPTIONAL health to all of you and yours. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Push 0 #36 June 12, 2003 Ok this is going down the locking path and quickly. I just want to get in before this thread gets locked to say something. The name calling and penis comparing is what is getting this thread locked, and not anything else. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #37 June 12, 2003 Gawd - I've been in the sport for ten years. The reason I don't have more jumps is becuase I've had two knee replacements. Also, I've never personally met Canuck as I just went out to Mile Hi for the first time in a year due to my second knee replacement. Bottomline - to all, I SINCERELY apologize for getting all bent out of shape. I am not a Troll, I care about each and everyone of you and am only trying to further that love. I apologize about the snive 7 jump remark. I've seen too friends go in over the ten years I've been in the sport, that is enough for me to have one thing figured out - the more we can do to prevent it the better. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ALL that I've gotten in the face of in this thread I was only trying to facilitate change. Lou - especially you, I am sorry for being an ass - I've read all of your posts over the past year or so and you are a very standup individual and getting back to your second post - you are right - we all want to save the most lives we can. "If you want to see how it can become stressful for family members reading about things that are sometime said take a look back at Holly's thread where there was speculation about her contacts." Because of that speculation, I now carry glasses with me in my jumpsuit to hopefully save my life and maybe someone elses in case that ever happened to me. Seriuosly - to all - I do have great love for all of you, 7 jumps, 1, 38, 4000. Skydiving is the only thing that has kept me sane after two knee replacements. I miss jumping, I did 400 jumps in my first 2.5 years so I would like to think I am rather competent. I miss hanging with jumpers on the DZ more than anyone can know as you are all really truly honest and good people. I just want to see one more of you saved thats all, nothing more. Please accept my humble apologies. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divingduck 0 #38 June 12, 2003 Quote Again, AFREAKINGAIN, ONCE AGAIN - Although the Roger Nelson incident forum got off track, it got back on track, after a warning was given I might add. OMG, honestly, do you have anything better to do than bitch about one freaking thread? A guy died here and all you can do is bitch that you can't keep talking about him Let him rest in peace! DOOD!!!!! It really doesn't matter that ONE FREAKING THREAD GOT LOCKED! Why don't you start a new thread about that HIM and not your LACK OF CONCERN!!! [/rant] PS: where is Aggiedave when you need him? If I loved you anymore I would have a stroke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #39 June 12, 2003 Blech. If this were a democracy I'd vote for banning this nut and locking the thread. Just making a bad day worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #40 June 12, 2003 cyber beers are in order for anybody who hijack this thread. Aggie dave you in??? One word: BOOBIES!!!!!!! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #41 June 12, 2003 Please read my post above. I am not trying to piss anyone off here although I freely admit I got out of hand. I am not trying to be a nut. I am only trying to save lives. That is my only goal here, and IMHO speculation is a good source/learning tool in the Incident forum. divingduck - I am ranting because I just want to make damn well sure that in the future that when the next Roger incident occurs the right actions will be taken. I guess I just miss Roger. Did you know Roger? Did Roger allow you on 100 ways with 92 jumps? Did he trust in your skills?? Did he make you feel like a rock star which in turn boosted your confidence levels and allowed you to do things in the sport that 150 jump wonders aren't supossed to be able to do??? You are right though - I will cease with the [rant], and I do offer my humble apologies for coming across as an ass. If you read my other posts in the forum, this and the Roger thread are the only ones that I believe I should come across as an ass in as that was indeed my intent. I now see however, that it isn't really getting me anywhere and retract my assness. Dood. Dude. Friend. Whatever you want to call yourself. Period. BTW - the balloon rocked on Sunday at mile hi, call frank, he will confirm my presence i.e. I am not a troll. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #42 June 12, 2003 You have my second, and divingduck approves the motion being as we are post whoring from the same comp. _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #43 June 12, 2003 Thanks Lou!!!! Most of there NEW skydivers forget that the skydiver that pass away has family and will come read the forms.... And with specultion will hurt them more!! I know I was on the receiving end of one!!!!(Holly) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #44 June 12, 2003 Come hang out with us at the DZ, once a skydiver always a skydiver. I'll buy the first round"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #45 June 12, 2003 Quote I'm not trying to start shit. I'm trying to save lives. Read my original post. Bring your shit somewhere else, how long have you been in the sport there killer?? DOOD sounds like a personal attack to me anybody else? _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #46 June 12, 2003 No personal attack - please read my apology, but its not a personal attack. My only gripe is that you probably didn't know Roger. Again, I retract and apologize from the bottom of my heart and am sorry for trying to fasciliate change in the incorrrect fashion (i.e. for all that can't don't won't understand, I realize I fukked up in the way I tried to make my point and am truly sorry). I have no beef with anyone. I love all of you and I truly mean that. I'll jump with anyone regardless of how cool their gear is or how many jumps they have. Sincerely, Andrew -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #47 June 12, 2003 QuoteMY POINT IS, and let me be clear unlike you - no rules were broken in the Incident thread about Roger Nelson. We've now heard your point. Personally I do not think it is invalid either. Problem is that the HH himself (apparently) does not agree. It's now up to you whether you are willing to accept that or not. I've been admonished by the moderators in the past too, but I certainly did not go on a tirade over it. The "rules" in here are fairly simple ...(we cetrainly DON'T need chapters & verses of annotated code do we?) & oft times subject to interperetation. The final word on that interperetation is Sangiro's (and his designated moderators). Although LouD was indeed being "gruff", his point is also not invalid either. If any of us don't like it, we don't have to be here. I think that we can find ways to all "appropriately" participate in here. The whole reason for taking part in a MODERATED forum is to not have it degenerate into the alternative ---which I have since "defected" from (at wreck-dot). Post something over THERE some time & see what happens to you. There has to be some acceptance of the trade-off's inherent in this "structure" then if you are going to participate. Or again, it is your choice not to. Even if we did stipulate that your point was TECHNICALLY CORRECT (which by-the-way, I do also personally think it IS): "The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents." PERIOD and that no rules were broken ...again it is within the HH's purview to further interperet that, and lock a thread AT HIS DISCRETION. ...Heck, he may even yet lock mine. I've started another one over there, I think asking ON TOPIC, valid QUESTIONS about the incident. Maybe someone can help us out by answering them? I think the matter that Sangiro wanted to "bounce" you over to talk back for was precisely THIS "debate". ...I don't see how anything is "broken" there. We're now having it, aren't we? As long as we stay "TOPICAL" within the TOPICAL forums; to date, I have not had any issue with this structure. My .02 ....and then some, eh? coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #48 June 12, 2003 Right on scrumpot - I guess in all honesty, it feels like people just don't care too much about what happened at SDC and I miss Roger very deeply. For my tirade I apologized and apologize again. I will now back down from my dumb pedestal and conform to this forum once again. I sincerely think that this is a great place and the moderators do a great job. I agree - everyone makes great points in this particular thread minus the bashing on me and all () and after relaxing and taking a deep breath, I'm feeling pretty bad at the moment for getting so bent out of shape. Honestly - please believe that. For awhile now, DZ.com has been my only connection to the jumper world with this bum knee of mine and having Roger die compounded the depression I've been feeling lately. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #49 June 12, 2003 dude i read it. i missed it, my apoligies too, but yea i guess my point would be is to wait with the speculation till after the mourning is through no we did not know roger or 30 of the 31 people who died in the last 12 months. but they are still brothers and sisters, you know. Like in this thread as with the thread that got locked people say dumb shit (me included) when they are more emotional. which might be reason to wait to speculate? the way it sounded to me was that people were getting pretty emotional. i'd just say wait a day and repost when people have cooled down. peace bro! _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #50 June 12, 2003 BTW - your shit was not dumb. My semi-persobal attack was dumb. My emotions were getting out of hand and that was dumb. Seriously - blue skys and EXCEPTIONAL health to all of you and yours. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
