jlmiracle 7 #26 June 30, 2003 Quote Please don't EVEN get me started on the sheet wearin folk. Most of them claim to be good christians. Some of their groups even have christian sounding names for their organizations.. HOW can ANY christian.. purport to hate others based on their color.. religion, National origin, sexual orientation and then CLAIM to be GOD FEARIN AMERICANS....its about hatred...pure and simple. You gotta be shittin me. I try to avoid those that have the mantra of " Dumb as dirt, and proud of it" plague that they are. Amazon Amazon Try living in Memphis (moved here from MN about 6 years ago). We have 6 flags over Jesus down here (formally known as Bellevue Baptist). These good church going christians are more tolerant of an all day long KKK rally in downtown than they are of Mike Tyson fighting Lenox Lewis in a 1 night battle. Its so bizarre. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbain 0 #27 June 30, 2003 Sure, But the gay person is not forcing the religious person to change their beliefs, or are they forcing them to be immoral, i.e. homosexual. They only want the right to practice their own beliefs. Where as the religous folks tend to want to force their personal beliefs onto others. i.e. outlawing homosexuals or discriminating against them so that they (homosexuals) cannot practice their own beliefs anymore. It doesn't matter which one is right or wrong, they should both have the freedom to do what they want as long as they aren't impinging on someone else. And who ever someone chooses to have sex with behind closed doors, shouldn't effect anybody else but themselves. Just my $0.02 Christina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 June 30, 2003 QuoteMaybe that is part of thier religion. It's not.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #29 June 30, 2003 Quotereligion that preaches love can also preach intolerance. From what I've seen, its not the religion that preaches it, its the people in the religion using a bastardized belief of the theology to preach what they believe. For instance, a "true Christian" would still accept and love (not in sexual way) a person who is a homosexual, but would pray that they "see the light" and repent to Jesus Christ. But then again, that's just what the Bible says, we all know that a lot of Christians don't do what it says or even reads/studies it. (I'm not being sarcastic).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 June 30, 2003 QuoteHowever, it would be just as silly to deny that some very bad people do exist in just about every group -- including Christians. Exactly!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #31 June 30, 2003 QuoteAs shown in a few previous threads, I've noticed a national trend of having a personal life that is ground in religous beliefs (not necissarily Christian) becoming taboo. I have respect for the extremely devout people. I just do not share their beliefs. Yes, sometimes in the back of my head I am guilty of a "how pathetic" thought or two--as I am sure a deeply religious person is toward me. That is all fine and dandy... The issue here is, enforcing ones morals on people that do not share them. That is why it is becoming taboo. I have been treated very kindly by people that morally do not agree with me, and I am happy to return that respect. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #32 June 30, 2003 From the little I know about the original four books that make up the life of Christ, his preachings can be summed up in one sentence as "love everyone and everything, all the time, under all circumstances, and never stop loving them no matter what until the day you die." Show me one person today who follows that and you may save the world from nuclear devastation. Then again, are you sure that following these preachings is a good idea? To comment on the original topic, no, it is not justified. Constitutionally, you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as it does not affect other people. Morally it is a much thinner patch of ice, but I can still give you a coherent argument on why not. Only a properly formulated, deductive argument represents any kind of Truth. A sound deductive argument may only be disputed by disputing the axioms it stems from. If two people find no dispute in the axioms, they must both accept the conclusion of the deductive argument. Thus enlightening becomes explaining. When someone can explain to me why homosexual sex is wrong from axioms that I take as self evident, I will be forced to accept the argument. The obvious question is, what are the axioms that are self evident to everyone (universal)? I have no answer to that, but it's easy to see if an axiom is not universal by finding a person who disagrees with it. In the case of homosexual marriage we can find hundreds of thousands of people who disagree with the axioms of any argument against such marriage, hence the axioms cannot be universal, and so their conclusions cannot be universal either. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #33 June 30, 2003 Yeah, quite an irony that we can be so intollerant of those who are intollerant, isn't it? :-) -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #34 June 30, 2003 QuoteConstitutionally, you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as it does not affect other people so religion should be forbidden most time religion is the door to much evil. thank god im an atheist Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtwiga 0 #35 June 30, 2003 I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. I'm redheaded, my brother's lefthanded, Dave is tall, Sarah's black, Ozzy's gay, Melanie has blue eyes, Mohammed is a Moslem. Which of these things is not like the others? Being gay is not a belief or a religion. It's not something chosen or changeable. Therefore it should not even be an issue of morals. Any person who believes it is is ignoring science and denegrating a person for one of their physical traits. That's bigotted and discriminatory. Period. --------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #36 June 30, 2003 QuoteOzzy's gay HOLY SHIT NO WAY!! [picks up phone to call National Enquirer]A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #37 June 30, 2003 Like what some of the other posts said, I believe that everyone should have certain basic freedoms (freedom of speech, religion, the pursuit of happiness, etc. - very much like the Constitution...). Morality comes into play in how you exercise your freedoms. If you attempt to exercise your freedom in order to limit someone else's, then that is immoral no matter what side you are on. BUT, that ASSUMES that the other person's exercise of their freedom does not infringe on YOUR rights to begin with. For instance, I am not "free" to pursue happiness by killing your dog. Discrimination is also a very tricky word and you should define exactly what you mean by it. "Not like someone"? "Refuse to hire someone"? For what job? Etc. etc. Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
