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I think part of the problem you're referring to is tenure. Where else can you tell your boss to f-off when he says to do something?
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>You're misreading the statement, I think. I don't think he's saying
> he would choose the warehouse over the palace; he's saying that if
> there is a better education available in a warehouse, that is
> obviously the better option.
Of course, but he also seems to think that less money equals better education, and that simply isn't the case. Both my parents were teachers all their lives, and they stuck with it through good funding and poor funding, democrat and republican dominated school boards and state and federal governments. And money does make a difference. When schools have more money they can hire better teachers, have more diversified programs, and produce better students. Saying "oh, money doesn't matter, it's all just having the right attitude" simply isn't true.
> he would choose the warehouse over the palace; he's saying that if
> there is a better education available in a warehouse, that is
> obviously the better option.
Of course, but he also seems to think that less money equals better education, and that simply isn't the case. Both my parents were teachers all their lives, and they stuck with it through good funding and poor funding, democrat and republican dominated school boards and state and federal governments. And money does make a difference. When schools have more money they can hire better teachers, have more diversified programs, and produce better students. Saying "oh, money doesn't matter, it's all just having the right attitude" simply isn't true.
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Ok I will go so far as to say that funding is necessary to rebuild school districts. But if the attitude is not corrected first, the money will go to waste. That I have seen happen. Some of it may end up in the pockets of some BOE employees. If you had a never ending supply of money then you could just continue to pump money in but since that is not the case the attitude must be corrected for postive results.
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I don't think liberals are either tolerant or more pro-education than conservatives. While they claim to be pro-environment, they routinely lie to back up their claims and piss me off in that regard.
Liberals are tolerant as long as they get their way - then they scream like two year olds, suck their thumbs, and lie about whoever didn't give them exactly what they wanted. They tolerate egregious faults in themselves and smear conservatives over minutia (most often lying in the process ala Bob Bork).
The left's claim to fame on education is their virtual stranglehold on college academia and the NEA's endorsement. Neither inspires me to support them in that regard. They have no ideas on improving education other than 'send more federal money' and smaller class sizes. (OOPS! I forgot about squashing school voucher programs and ending home-schooling.) It's impossible to take anyone seriously on education who opposes standards of almost any sort for teachers or students.
This conservative congress sure as hell isn't interested in cutting spending, which ticks me off at them.
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Liberals are tolerant as long as they get their way - then they scream like two year olds, suck their thumbs, and lie about whoever didn't give them exactly what they wanted. They tolerate egregious faults in themselves and smear conservatives over minutia (most often lying in the process ala Bob Bork).
The left's claim to fame on education is their virtual stranglehold on college academia and the NEA's endorsement. Neither inspires me to support them in that regard. They have no ideas on improving education other than 'send more federal money' and smaller class sizes. (OOPS! I forgot about squashing school voucher programs and ending home-schooling.) It's impossible to take anyone seriously on education who opposes standards of almost any sort for teachers or students.
This conservative congress sure as hell isn't interested in cutting spending, which ticks me off at them.
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Vinny
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QuoteIt's impossible to take anyone seriously on education who opposes standards of almost any sort for teachers or students.
The great thing about standards is you need the students to cooperate in taking the tests. If they don't want to be in school let alone learn, the Xmas tree method comes to mind.
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TheAnvil 0
But all the money in the world will do no good when the attitude is absent. Students really aren't motivated by the current system.
I have a nice plan to fix education that I'll implement when I am Governor of some fortunate state. Right after I legalize BASE. There are several parts.
1) Entrance and exit exams for both High School and Middle School. You have five years to complete high school. You have sports eligibility for the first four. However long it takes to complete Middle School. Sports eligibility for the first three years. If, after five years you have NOT completed high school, you get a certificate of completion and its 'have a nice life'. No state funded colleges will accept a certificate of completion for entry. Certificate of completion will NOT equal diploma so a GED would be required for the military. A state subsidized GED program would probably be needed as well, but only a partial subsidy.
2) Teacher bonuses. US$10K bonuses for math/science teachers with Bachelor's degrees in math, science, chemistry, biology or engineering. US$20K for those with master's in those fields. US$5 for teachers with master's in English Lit/Business/Journalism. All tax exempt (state taxes anyway; I'd have to lobby for federal). Hard science majors earn more money, so they would be compensated more.
3) Driver's licenses. This is what high schoolers yearn for and revere. Use it as a motivational tool. Revoked for High Schoolers during their fifth year, exceptions to be made by city councils on a case by case basis for special home-to-work licenses only. Violation of home-to-work equates to suspension of the license for two years.
Additionally, US history, basic science, algebra, arithmetic, and reading comprehension would be on the written test en masse for anyone without a HS diploma or certificate of completion. Hehehehehehe. Watch math/science/reading improve in about two years after this is put into effect. I mean DRAMATIC improvement.
There are other minutia, but the above would be the main focus of an Anvil Education Improvement Act. I think it should be done at the state level. Details for transfers from out of state, special students, and etc would have to be made, but I think that the above plan, if implemented would yield great dividends over time - probably a three to seven year time period.
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I have a nice plan to fix education that I'll implement when I am Governor of some fortunate state. Right after I legalize BASE. There are several parts.
1) Entrance and exit exams for both High School and Middle School. You have five years to complete high school. You have sports eligibility for the first four. However long it takes to complete Middle School. Sports eligibility for the first three years. If, after five years you have NOT completed high school, you get a certificate of completion and its 'have a nice life'. No state funded colleges will accept a certificate of completion for entry. Certificate of completion will NOT equal diploma so a GED would be required for the military. A state subsidized GED program would probably be needed as well, but only a partial subsidy.
2) Teacher bonuses. US$10K bonuses for math/science teachers with Bachelor's degrees in math, science, chemistry, biology or engineering. US$20K for those with master's in those fields. US$5 for teachers with master's in English Lit/Business/Journalism. All tax exempt (state taxes anyway; I'd have to lobby for federal). Hard science majors earn more money, so they would be compensated more.
3) Driver's licenses. This is what high schoolers yearn for and revere. Use it as a motivational tool. Revoked for High Schoolers during their fifth year, exceptions to be made by city councils on a case by case basis for special home-to-work licenses only. Violation of home-to-work equates to suspension of the license for two years.
Additionally, US history, basic science, algebra, arithmetic, and reading comprehension would be on the written test en masse for anyone without a HS diploma or certificate of completion. Hehehehehehe. Watch math/science/reading improve in about two years after this is put into effect. I mean DRAMATIC improvement.
There are other minutia, but the above would be the main focus of an Anvil Education Improvement Act. I think it should be done at the state level. Details for transfers from out of state, special students, and etc would have to be made, but I think that the above plan, if implemented would yield great dividends over time - probably a three to seven year time period.
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The Anvil
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billvon 3,116
>I don't think liberals are either tolerant or more pro-education than conservatives.
While they may or may not be in their personal lives, they vote that way - their voting records prove this, and they're public record. And I tend to vote for people who represent me well in government.
>While they claim to be pro-environment, they routinely lie to back up
>their claims and piss me off in that regard.
So do conservatives. Anyone who believes conservative claims that they are pro-environment need just look at voting records on EPA regulations, the new-source requirements and developer/logging restrictions. Anyone who believes that our president is pro-environment need only visit Texas, or compare the original EPA report to the one his office edited before it was released.
>They have no ideas on improving education other than 'send more
> federal money' and smaller class sizes.
If you're clueless (and politicians in both parties are) education will do a lot better with more money than with less. The federal government does not decide whether to teach american history for two years or one; they do not hire teachers; they do not "hold teachers accountable." That's done by local schools and school boards. They can do a better job with more money. Cutting money for education while saying "We'll make teachers accountable and leave no student behind!" results in poorer education, because the only concrete results of that are a lot of meaningless words and less money for schools.
Sure looks good on those campaign fliers, though!
While they may or may not be in their personal lives, they vote that way - their voting records prove this, and they're public record. And I tend to vote for people who represent me well in government.
>While they claim to be pro-environment, they routinely lie to back up
>their claims and piss me off in that regard.
So do conservatives. Anyone who believes conservative claims that they are pro-environment need just look at voting records on EPA regulations, the new-source requirements and developer/logging restrictions. Anyone who believes that our president is pro-environment need only visit Texas, or compare the original EPA report to the one his office edited before it was released.
>They have no ideas on improving education other than 'send more
> federal money' and smaller class sizes.
If you're clueless (and politicians in both parties are) education will do a lot better with more money than with less. The federal government does not decide whether to teach american history for two years or one; they do not hire teachers; they do not "hold teachers accountable." That's done by local schools and school boards. They can do a better job with more money. Cutting money for education while saying "We'll make teachers accountable and leave no student behind!" results in poorer education, because the only concrete results of that are a lot of meaningless words and less money for schools.
Sure looks good on those campaign fliers, though!
Wow, I think your plan actually sounds really good. It's motivating but not restrictive and in a way, allows the students to learn at their own pace.
As for the drivers license motivation, I'm all for it. TX already holds back eligibility for a drivers license until the age of 18 if a student drops out of school, but the desire to drive is a great motivating force, and I think you've got a great idea there.
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As for the drivers license motivation, I'm all for it. TX already holds back eligibility for a drivers license until the age of 18 if a student drops out of school, but the desire to drive is a great motivating force, and I think you've got a great idea there.
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billvon 3,116
I like most of that, but:
>Entrance and exit exams for both High School and Middle School.
What happens if they fail the entrance exam?
>Teacher bonuses.
I like that as a general idea, but it costs $$$. Also, there is danger in setting up a program that encourages one discipline over another, because if you are 100% successful, you get math and science teachers but no business or english teachers. Hard to teach writing and reading without english teachers.
>Entrance and exit exams for both High School and Middle School.
What happens if they fail the entrance exam?
>Teacher bonuses.
I like that as a general idea, but it costs $$$. Also, there is danger in setting up a program that encourages one discipline over another, because if you are 100% successful, you get math and science teachers but no business or english teachers. Hard to teach writing and reading without english teachers.
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Failure of the entrance exam would mean they don't get into the high school or middle school and repeat the last grade. Since the teachers would know the areas they are weak in, they could focus on those areas.
Teacher bonuses - a painful subject that would arise, I'm sure. In my plan they are not equal in all areas because in the corporate sector not all majors are equally valued by the corporate sector. A ChemE will ALWAYS make more than an English Lit major with a comparable degree. No question about it. Therefore, to attract more scientific/engineering majors into teaching school I would offer them higher bonuses than English/Lit majors. The idea behind my bonus plan was to entice intelligent people with bachelors/masters degrees in their fields to teach in high schools. By compensating them with said bonuses, they would be earning a salary commensurate with their peers in the same majors. Roughly. Those were rough #'s but I think they're close to the mark. Will the English Lit folks be pissed? Yep. Will they make a bit more money than their fellow English Lit majors by teaching a subject they have a degree in? Yep as well. Market forces were driving that. Sad but true, because those folks put a lot of hard hours in during college to earn a degree that doesn't normally command a lot of $$ in salary.
I think the plan has a few flaws, but that's the general route I would take were I instantly made governor today. Perhaps following the German model a bit more with the Grundschule, Realschule, Fachschule, and Gymnasium, but such a system in one state would make transfers from out of state virtually impossible and the roars from parents during the first few years would piss me off. I think my plan would work well for American culture and achieve decent results in the relative short term.
Education and the lack thereof is one of the gravest dangers our nation faces today, IMHO.
Beers,
Vinny the Anvil
Teacher bonuses - a painful subject that would arise, I'm sure. In my plan they are not equal in all areas because in the corporate sector not all majors are equally valued by the corporate sector. A ChemE will ALWAYS make more than an English Lit major with a comparable degree. No question about it. Therefore, to attract more scientific/engineering majors into teaching school I would offer them higher bonuses than English/Lit majors. The idea behind my bonus plan was to entice intelligent people with bachelors/masters degrees in their fields to teach in high schools. By compensating them with said bonuses, they would be earning a salary commensurate with their peers in the same majors. Roughly. Those were rough #'s but I think they're close to the mark. Will the English Lit folks be pissed? Yep. Will they make a bit more money than their fellow English Lit majors by teaching a subject they have a degree in? Yep as well. Market forces were driving that. Sad but true, because those folks put a lot of hard hours in during college to earn a degree that doesn't normally command a lot of $$ in salary.
I think the plan has a few flaws, but that's the general route I would take were I instantly made governor today. Perhaps following the German model a bit more with the Grundschule, Realschule, Fachschule, and Gymnasium, but such a system in one state would make transfers from out of state virtually impossible and the roars from parents during the first few years would piss me off. I think my plan would work well for American culture and achieve decent results in the relative short term.
Education and the lack thereof is one of the gravest dangers our nation faces today, IMHO.
Beers,
Vinny the Anvil
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I agree with some of this and disagree with other portions.
Due to the innumerable unrelated ammendments to many bills that plague our legislative system today I think voting records skew the actual views of many legislators in a way.
The environment is one area in which I give the lefties (I used to be an ardent one) an edge over Republicans. But dammit if they don't lie so often and do some outright ludicrous things in that area.
Truth be told I'm angered with both parties over the environment. I think its a combination of lack of education, ignorance, and corporate lobbying that makes them the way they are.
An Anvil-Environmental plan would take a long time to write, but immediate actions would include funding Integral Fast Reactor research (cut by El Jefe Clintonista over the SCREAMS of lefties and conservatives alike), biodiesel, hybrid vehicles, increased tax incentives for solar power in residential and commercial buildings, gas standards for SUVs (sorry folks, I HATE these things), and many other things too numerous to list. I don't think state governments and city governments are proactive enough in this arena and I think the federal gov't is running in circles. Blah blah blah. I could type for hours about this but don't feel like it right now.
Education without accountability is crap. I didn't see many politicians from either party screaming BAR RULE#11 a few months back when some idiot sued the school board because their kid didn't pass their senior english class. Sickening. Because I've travelled abroad on every continent other than Antartica and have seen what kind of education even third world countries can achieve, the $$=better education mantra doesn't work on me. When the NEA screams this mantra repeatedly I think about the NEA folks' salaries compared to the teachers they supposedly represent and feel sick in my stomach. Neither party has a plan to save public education because neither party has the guts to tell the NEA what it can do with itself and then hold teachers accountable as well as hold parents and students accountable and FAIL THE KIDS when they deserve it.
Beers,
Vinny
Due to the innumerable unrelated ammendments to many bills that plague our legislative system today I think voting records skew the actual views of many legislators in a way.
The environment is one area in which I give the lefties (I used to be an ardent one) an edge over Republicans. But dammit if they don't lie so often and do some outright ludicrous things in that area.
Truth be told I'm angered with both parties over the environment. I think its a combination of lack of education, ignorance, and corporate lobbying that makes them the way they are.
An Anvil-Environmental plan would take a long time to write, but immediate actions would include funding Integral Fast Reactor research (cut by El Jefe Clintonista over the SCREAMS of lefties and conservatives alike), biodiesel, hybrid vehicles, increased tax incentives for solar power in residential and commercial buildings, gas standards for SUVs (sorry folks, I HATE these things), and many other things too numerous to list. I don't think state governments and city governments are proactive enough in this arena and I think the federal gov't is running in circles. Blah blah blah. I could type for hours about this but don't feel like it right now.
Education without accountability is crap. I didn't see many politicians from either party screaming BAR RULE#11 a few months back when some idiot sued the school board because their kid didn't pass their senior english class. Sickening. Because I've travelled abroad on every continent other than Antartica and have seen what kind of education even third world countries can achieve, the $$=better education mantra doesn't work on me. When the NEA screams this mantra repeatedly I think about the NEA folks' salaries compared to the teachers they supposedly represent and feel sick in my stomach. Neither party has a plan to save public education because neither party has the guts to tell the NEA what it can do with itself and then hold teachers accountable as well as hold parents and students accountable and FAIL THE KIDS when they deserve it.
Beers,
Vinny
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